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  • #46
    Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
    He's a successful politician.
    He's a successful conman.

    Of course he's not decent and polite to his enemies.
    He's not "decent and polite" to anyone who does not further his own interests.

    A lot of people seem to appreciate that he 'fights back' against the Democrats who insult and demean them. At leas the basket of deplorables, those bitter clingers-on have someone who fires back.
    He is most deplorable of them all.

    Most of the posters. Yourself included, bro. Can't fix the problem if you're determined to be part of it.
    Trump is the problem and it will not be fixed until he is out of office.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      Self-righteous hypocrites tend to be masters of passive aggressiveness.

      "Would a Christian really do such-and-such?"
      "Are you accusing me of not being a Christian?"
      "Oh, no, whatever made you think that? I'm just asking an innocent question."
      Note that in each of the three examples, the other person is making a tacit claim on what it means to be a Christian, the definition of a Christian. Definitions include some things while rejecting other things, regardless of whether it is a formal or an informal, intuitive definition. One key example (from outside of tweb) is the assertion that one cannot accept science and be a Christian.

      That is a tacit definition, informal, where being a Christian is defined to exclude the acceptance of science.

      If a real Christian would not "attack" another Christian, then we are left with many examples of Christians attacking other Christians, except that the question of whether the person is a bona fide Christian never comes up.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        snipped
        He's not "decent and polite" to anyone who does not further his own interests.
        I wonder if anyone really disagrees with this? I think this thread still has some life left in it, so I'll start another thread.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Gotta love how the left has redefined "whistleblower" to include plain old leakers and "speak truth to power" to mean anything but.
          And how do you define "whistleblower," rogue?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by simplicio View Post
            in other words, it is accepted as part of the culture, routine for Tweb. Hmmm, I wonder if cow poke et al., also think it is an accepted part of tweb?
            This is about me, isn't it?



            (you coulda asked me!)
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by JimL View Post
              And how do you define "whistleblower," rogue?
              There's actually a site for that!

              https://www.whistleblowers.gov/

              And, it prohibits...
              • firing or
              • laying off,
              • demoting,
              • denying overtime or promotion,
              • or reducing pay or hours,



              for engaging in activities protected by OSHA’s whistleblower laws.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                There's actually a site for that!

                https://www.whistleblowers.gov/

                And, it prohibits...
                • firing or
                • laying off,
                • demoting,
                • denying overtime or promotion,
                • or reducing pay or hours,



                for engaging in activities protected by OSHA’s whistleblower laws.
                More to the point, here's the DoD site for Whistleblower protection.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Gotta love how the left has redefined "whistleblower" to include plain old leakers and "speak truth to power" to mean anything but.
                  No "redefinition" required. A whistle-blower is someone reporting misconduct on a fellow employee, or in this instance a superior - Trump - through anonymous reporting. The substance of this report was corroborated by numerous witnesses during the House inquiry. And all indications are that they would have been corroborated by witnesses at the Senate trial - which is why Trump wouldn't allow them to be called. After all, the person on trial can't be expected to permit evidence against him. <sarcasm>
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                    The substance of this report was corroborated by numerous witnesses during the House inquiry.
                    In reality, Eric Ciaramella got a number of facts wildly wrong, but it wasn't necessarily his fault because be wasn't a firsthand witnesses and was just passing on what he had heard from Vindman who lied to Ciaramella about the nature and sunshine of the phone call.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #55
                      That should of course be "nature and SUBSTANCE of the phone call."

                      Autocorrect and posting from my phone without my glasses strikes again...
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
                        https://www.businessinsider.com/impe...e-house-2020-2


                        Lt. Col Alexander Vindman was ousted from his role on the National Security Council and escorted out of the White House on Friday, his lawyer told Insider.

                        Vindman's twin brother, Yevgeny, was also fired, Pressman said.


                        Obviously gross and likely illegal to fire Alexander. But is there anyone who will defend firing his brother who had nothing to do with Alexander's (subpoeaned) testimony? I know there are a lot of military or military adjacent posters on here. Maybe they can explain this in a positive light?

                        The Republican Party (minus Mittens) owns everything that's coming down the "pike".
                        The thread title is a bit disingenuous.... when a military officer is "reassigned", you don't call that "fired". Even Snopes has a hard time buying this narrative.

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                        What's True
                        O'Brien said during an interview that Vindman, like other NSC staff at the White House, would eventually be rotated back to his own department.

                        What's False
                        However, O'Brien did not state that Vindman had been "fired" or "removed" from the NSC, nor did he offer a timeline for when Vindman would be rotated back to his department.


                        Unless somebody can demonstrate that Vindman was reduced in rank, stripped of rank, lost or received a decrease in pay, lost benefits, and/or is no longer serving in the military, it's nonsense to say he was "fired".
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
                          https://www.businessinsider.com/impe...e-house-2020-2


                          Lt. Col Alexander Vindman was ousted from his role on the National Security Council and escorted out of the White House on Friday, his lawyer told Insider.

                          Vindman's twin brother, Yevgeny, was also fired, Pressman said.


                          Obviously gross and likely illegal to fire Alexander. But is there anyone who will defend firing his brother who had nothing to do with Alexander's (subpoeaned) testimony? I know there are a lot of military or military adjacent posters on here. Maybe they can explain this in a positive light?

                          The Republican Party (minus Mittens) owns everything that's coming down the "pike".
                          You can not be fired from the military. Unless they were discharged, which they weren't, they can be reassigned to another position but no, they were not fired.

                          That's what
                          - She

                          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                          - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            That should of course be "nature and SUBSTANCE of the phone call."

                            Autocorrect and posting from my phone without my glasses strikes again...
                            I like it the other way. Adds some flair!
                            That's what
                            - She

                            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              The Democrats showed Trump where the rats were hiding. Elections have consequences!
                              You mean the "rats" like Sondland who paid a million bucks to Trump in order to secure an abassador position? Trump is an unprincipled wannabe dictator and demands loyalty to himself not to the country or the law. The only rats in hiding are Trump and his loyal corrupt associates who refused to testify. His supporters, like you, aren't in hiding, they're just hiding from the truth.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                You mean the "rats" like Sondland who paid a million bucks to Trump in order to secure an abassador position? Trump is an unprincipled wannabe dictator and demands loyalty to himself not to the country or the law. The only rats in hiding are Trump and his loyal corrupt associates who refused to testify. His supporters, like you, aren't in hiding, they're just hiding from the truth.
                                You mean Trump did what Obama did? I’ll wait for your condemning of Obama any second now...
                                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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