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The De-Ukrainification of the National Security Council
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"If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View PostI'm disturbed that the author of your article apparently can't recognize that the President is not a dictator, and that "undermining a president" CAN be patriotic, depending on the circumstances. We may disagree about the circumstances of this particular case, but no President deserves the sort of unflinching loyalty a lot of people seem to be advocating for. The President of the United States is not the same thing as the United States of America, and we shouldn't act like it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostThis is ridicule: you're a moron for thinking that firing a Ukranian because of his obvious loyalty issues and the massive lack of judgment over Ukraine policy is unreasonable."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View PostYou're just a moron, plain and simple. I don't debate with idiots like you who can't have a civil discussion without acting like a 5th grader. Go back to your crayons and let the adults talk.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostExcept, of course, that a military officer's "big boss" is the Commander in Chief. Other officers who have had a beef with the chain of command have done more honorable things like resign their commission. You're well aware of "chain of command", and, as unlikable as Trump may be, he's still CinC."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostGo back to your anti-Trump koolaid, 'orange man bad, orange man bad!!!!!!!!!!!!'."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View PostI'll loan you back the orange crayon, if you need it, dude.....or have you moved on to finger painting?Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostYou stick with your Santa-level fairy tales about geopolitics, demi will stay with the facts."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View PostRight, but you acknowledge there are limits, yes?
Hitler comes to mind. Those concentration camp guards were following their commander in chief, yes?
I've had a recent conflict with some bosses at work, and I'm telling you...I will not subordinate my own moral compass and allow a manifest injustice to occur, no matter what they tell me to do. Yes, I can expect negative consequences I do so, but we each have to determine what hill to die on, so to speak.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by myth View PostRight, but you acknowledge there are limits, yes? Hitler comes to mind. Those concentration camp guards were following their commander in chief, yes? I've had a recent conflict with some bosses at work, and I'm telling you...I will not subordinate my own moral compass and allow a manifest injustice to occur, no matter what they tell me to do. Yes, I can expect negative consequences I do so, but we each have to determine what hill to die on, so to speak.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostIf Vindman decided to lie to show some loyalty to his boss, I wonder if he would be a hero to some!"If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostExcept, of course, that a military officer's "big boss" is the Commander in Chief. Other officers who have had a beef with the chain of command have done more honorable things like resign their commission. You're well aware of "chain of command", and, as unlikable as Trump may be, he's still CinC.
In much more current example (and one also because the officer in charge had said things about the president which angered the latter) there is Obama's firing of General Stanley McChrystal, the commander of our forces in Afghanistan, because of some unflatoring things he said to a reporter from Rolling Stone magazine about Obama
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAbsolutely. I actually resigned my position as Police officer because of such limits. I did not stay around and gossip.
They made that choice, yes.
In my case, I worked the chain of command, found that wasn't an option, and resigned.
The fact of the matter is, Trump isn't smart enough to keep his corrupt shenanigans hidden. He seems incapable of understanding why people raise a stink about blatantly visible corruption. Seriously, he has extreme political opponents (the Democrats, not me)...and he doesn't have the wherewithal to keep his wrongdoing hidden? Why is this, you ask? Because he's President, and he thinks that means he can do WHATEVER he wants. And you know what, a bunch of spineless Republican Senators (minus Mitt Romney, of all people) confirmed that he CAN do whatever he want.
I'm also not interested in hearing any B.S. about Trump supporting Christian values. Trump is pandering to the evangelical base for political expendiency. He wouldn't know an actual Christian if they punched him in the face. And besides, if the Senate would have removed Trump...there's not a single thing he's done is support of Christian values that Pence wouldn't also do."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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