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"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Here is government "support" for family leave gone completely haywire. This is ridiculous.
Finland's Women-Led Government Has Equalized Family Leave: 7 Months For Each Parent
Finland's government, led by 34-year-old Prime Minister Sanna Marin, has announced a new policy that will grant nearly seven months of paid leave to each parent, for a total of 14 months of paid leave. The pregnant parent also can receive one month of pregnancy allowance even before the parental leave starts.
Parents will be permitted to transfer 69 days from their own quota to the other parent. A single parent will have access to the allowance for both parents.
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/05/80305...e=facebook.com
Over a year's worth of paid leave? Nuts. By that time they could have another kid, then another, and never have to go back to work and still get paid.
From the same story:
Sweden has Europe's most generous leave policy, offering 240 days per parent. Many of those days can be transferred to the other parent, but 90 of them cannot. That means that families wanting to maximize the leave would both take significant time off.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostWhy do you need the government to negotiate your work benefits?
In fact I demand the government negotiate several policies about abortion which have the enthusiastic support of pro life groups.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhether to have children or not is a personal issue. Whether you kill those that are already alive is not.
Whether a couple decides to have children or not, and for what reasons is none of anyone's business. If they feel having children would be a burden then they shouldn't have them. It's their decision. Raising children is a huge responsibility.
The culture of death is not pro life at all, even if one refrains from abortions.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostNot sure what you mean by that. The government negotiates many things in our lives.
In fact I demand the government negotiate several policies about abortion which have the enthusiastic support of pro life groups."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHere is government "support" for family leave gone completely haywire. This is ridiculous.
Finland's Women-Led Government Has Equalized Family Leave: 7 Months For Each Parent
Finland's government, led by 34-year-old Prime Minister Sanna Marin, has announced a new policy that will grant nearly seven months of paid leave to each parent, for a total of 14 months of paid leave. The pregnant parent also can receive one month of pregnancy allowance even before the parental leave starts.
Parents will be permitted to transfer 69 days from their own quota to the other parent. A single parent will have access to the allowance for both parents.
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/05/80305...e=facebook.com
Over a year's worth of paid leave? Nuts. By that time they could have another kid, then another, and never have to go back to work and still get paid.
From the same story:
Sweden has Europe's most generous leave policy, offering 240 days per parent. Many of those days can be transferred to the other parent, but 90 of them cannot. That means that families wanting to maximize the leave would both take significant time off.
The three proposals of the OP are nothing like that.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostThere is a culture of life, and a culture of death. I take it you don't see a problem with today's culture of death as long as it stops short of of actually killing, because you post as if that is what you believe.
The culture of death is not pro life at all, even if one refrains from abortions.
You are
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostIf that is posted in support a the view against paid leave, it is an argument through appealing to the extreme, the absurd.
The three proposals of the OP are nothing like that.
My company does that. Basically here is how it works:
If you are out up to 12 days, it is unpaid, but you can bank your vacation days up to 12 days to repay yourself.
After 12 days, the company will kick in short term disability, out of their own pocket to pay you 60% of your salary. You can use additional vacation days if you have them to make up the difference, so you could use 3.2 hours of vacation time per day to make it back to 100%.
After 3 months (the limit of FMLA) you could go on long-term disability through another insurance plan that costs me like $6/month. That would continue to pay me 60% of my salary until I reach retirement, at which time social security kicks in. Long-term disability is not taxable so 60% would be pretty close to my take-home pay now after taxes and such.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe easiest way to force companies to pay for family leave would be for the state to pass a regulation making providing some sort of short term disability for workers paid for by companies over a certain size. Say companies with more than 50 employees have to provide 1 month of paid leave in cases where FMLA is involved.
My company does that. Basically here is how it works:
If you are out up to 12 days, it is unpaid, but you can bank your vacation days up to 12 days to repay yourself.
After 12 days, the company will kick in short term disability, out of their own pocket to pay you 60% of your salary. You can use additional vacation days if you have them to make up the difference, so you could use 3.2 hours of vacation time per day to make it back to 100%.
After 3 months (the limit of FMLA) you could go on long-term disability through another insurance plan that costs me like $6/month. That would continue to pay me 60% of my salary until I reach retirement, at which time social security kicks in. Long-term disability is not taxable so 60% would be pretty close to my take-home pay now after taxes and such.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostThat's avoiding my question. Should they, or shouldn't they?
So I do think that companies SHOULD provide some sort of paid time off.
And I am glad that they are forced to paying unemployment insurance - I have had to use that before too. So maybe yeah, they should have to pay for short-term disability too.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't know.
And I am glad that they are forced to paying unemployment insurance - I have had to use that before too. So maybe yeah, they should have to pay for short-term disability too.
If the government should 'interfere' in some ways, then why is it bad for it to interfere?Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostOkay.
Them being forced to means the government is interfering with *dramatic music* the free market.
If the government should 'interfere' in some ways, then why is it bad for it to interfere?
Paying for FMLA really helps companies in the long run. That's why my company pays for it. Keeps a valuable employee from having to go elsewhere or starve. They put a lot of time into training employees, and don't want to lose them just because they have a child or medical emergency. The way the free market should work is that any company that doesn't pay for sick leave would go out of business because employees would not work for them. But it doesn't work out that way. So maybe a little push by the government isn't such a bad thing.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBecause we don't have a completely free market. Sometimes government regulations are needed to prevent a runaway train.
That's what I wanted to get at.
Paying for FMLA really helps companies in the long run. That's why my company pays for it. Keeps a valuable employee from having to go elsewhere or starve. They put a lot of time into training employees, and don't want to lose them just because they have a child or medical emergency.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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