Paid family Leave?

[Sparko]

That's what I wanted to get at.



For some companies, yes. Many companies would find it more efficient to just fire and rehire, and see the government's interference as leading to inefficiencies.

That is why people should go to school and get some sort of skill training. The throw-away type companies are all working with unskilled workers who they don't care about. Like fast food restaurants and such. The same companies people complain about minimum wages at.

If they link the paid leave to FMLA, it would eliminate most of the misuse of the sick leave. As someone who has used FMLA, it has a lot of paperwork, having to be filled out by doctors and such. You can't just call in sick and expect to be paid for 3 months.

[Starlight]

Here is government "support" for family leave gone completely haywire. This is ridiculous.

Finland's Women-Led Government Has Equalized Family Leave: 7 Months For Each Parent
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Over a year's worth of paid leave? Nuts. By that time they could have another kid, then another, and never have to go back to work and still get paid.

If too many people started doing they, presumably they would then change the law.

But the situation they have at the moment is that not enough people are having children (and especially not working people), so they're trying to incentivise people to have more kids / remove some of the difficulties working people have with regard to having kids. If your population isn't having enough kids each generation to replace the previous one, or if all the kids you're having are coming from the lowest classes / unemployed people, you've got a problem, so they're trying to fix that.

[Sparko]

If too many people started doing they, presumably they would then change the law.

But the situation they have at the moment is that not enough people are having children (and especially not working people), so they're trying to incentivise people to have more kids / remove some of the difficulties working people have with regard to having kids. If your population isn't having enough kids each generation to replace the previous one, or if all the kids you're having are coming from the lowest classes / unemployed people, you've got a problem, so they're trying to fix that.

They could outlaw abortion!

...or at least stop paying for it.

[Watermelon]

Why should the government interfere in and regulate the labour market? Why not let it be a free market?

Probably because the free market sucks.

[simplicio]

If too many people started doing they, presumably they would then change the law.

But the situation they have at the moment is that not enough people are having children (and especially not working people), so they're trying to incentivise people to have more kids / remove some of the difficulties working people have with regard to having kids. If your population isn't having enough kids each generation to replace the previous one, or if all the kids you're having are coming from the lowest classes / unemployed people, you've got a problem, so they're trying to fix that.

Or worded another way: It is affordable there! (they have the program, and it has not broken the economy)

Apparently the program has not gone haywire enough that the program has been dropped. I wonder if those Finns (those industrious souls are so good at raking the forests they forget to procreate) see the program as achieving its purpose of incentivising procreation.

[Tassman]

Pay is given for work done. Why should there be pay when no work is done?

It's a concept called "noblesse oblige", i.e. the unwritten obligation of people from a noble ancestry or positions of power to act honorably and generously to others. It's the decent thing to do and has the fringe benefit that a happy work-force is a more productive workforce. In short it's a win-win position.

[simplicio]

It's a concept called "noblesse oblige", i.e. the unwritten obligation of people from a noble ancestry or positions of power to act honorably and generously to others. It's the decent thing to do and has the fringe benefit that a happy work-force is a more productive workforce. In short it's a win-win position.

You call it noblesse oblige, which is quite like its cousin which is called caritas, Christian charity.

And I just checked your faith listing on the profile. You list "Atheist" as the faith. I think you were the first poster to bring in the very Christian concepts of generosity, honorable actions. and obligation. Each of those three virtuous attributes have their opposites, as well as a "lack of", or absence of that virtue.

And it is notable that the lack of those qualities are also close synonyms to the opposite of those qualities.

[lilpixieofterror]

Probably because the free market sucks.

It does just fine for myself and millions of others.

[lilpixieofterror]

You call it noblesse oblige, which is quite like its cousin which is called caritas, Christian charity.

And I just checked your faith listing on the profile. You list "Atheist" as the faith. I think you were the first poster to bring in the very Christian concepts of generosity, honorable actions. and obligation. Each of those three virtuous attributes have their opposites, as well as a "lack of", or absence of that virtue.

And it is notable that the lack of those qualities are also close synonyms to the opposite of those qualities.

That still doesn’t explain why it is the government’s job to negotiate your work benefits, for you.

[simplicio]

That still doesn’t explain why it is the government’s job to negotiate your work benefits, for you.

The government has a history of interfering into the labor market. It frowns on slavery, child labor, minimum wage issues, types of contracts, discrimination, etc. Many sees this as entirely compatible with a Christian idea of justice. So I do not see it as a violation of the free market.

The US government and pretty much secular society does not see the financial burdens which affect the way people are open to life as a problem, and many see other factors for a justification for the paid family leave. But it is Christians, not the secularists, for the most part which recognize things like openness to life as key here.

[simplicio]

That is why people should go to school and get some sort of skill training. The throw-away type companies are all working with unskilled workers who they don't care about. Like fast food restaurants and such. The same companies people complain about minimum wages at.

If they link the paid leave to FMLA, it would eliminate most of the misuse of the sick leave. As someone who has used FMLA, it has a lot of paperwork, having to be filled out by doctors and such. You can't just call in sick and expect to be paid for 3 months.

But even skilled workers are being forced into the gig economy.

I have often wondered if workers would trade sick days for paid days, ahead of time. I think many would prefer to have those available to use as "vacation".

[Sparko]

But even skilled workers are being forced into the gig economy.

what's a "gig" economy?

I have often wondered if workers would trade sick days for paid days, ahead of time. I think many would prefer to have those available to use as "vacation".

The trend is to give "personal days" that you can use as vacation or sick days. My company used to give out 6 sick days a year, and 1 week of vacation. You would get an extra week of vacation every 5 years until you reached 3 weeks of vacation. Then they just combined the two and added the sick days to the vacation days and now we have an extra week of vacation. Or we can use it as sick days. Anything we don't use up by the end of the year we can save into the short-term disability bank up to 12 days (the period you don't get paid if you end up having to take an extended leave) Any after that you get paid for.

Seems to work out pretty well for most people.

[lilpixieofterror]

The government has a history of interfering into the labor market. It frowns on slavery, child labor, minimum wage issues, types of contracts, discrimination, etc. Many sees this as entirely compatible with a Christian idea of justice. So I do not see it as a violation of the free market.

The government’s job is to watch for workplace safety and to guard contracts, not to pick my benefits for me because cookie cutter solutions don’t always work. Some may want parental leave while others don’t. Some may want health insurance while others don’t. Companies who want to attract the best talent are going to do what it takes to find it.

The US government and pretty much secular society does not see the financial burdens which affect the way people are open to life as a problem, and many see other factors for a justification for the paid family leave. But it is Christians, not the secularists, for the most part which recognize things like openness to life as key here.

Why would I, who is done having children, care about my parental leave? Again, cookie cutter solutions don’t work. Not everyone wants the same benefits.

[simplicio]

what's a "gig" economy?



The trend is to give "personal days" that you can use as vacation or sick days. My company used to give out 6 sick days a year, and 1 week of vacation. You would get an extra week of vacation every 5 years until you reached 3 weeks of vacation. Then they just combined the two and added the sick days to the vacation days and now we have an extra week of vacation. Or we can use it as sick days. Anything we don't use up by the end of the year we can save into the short-term disability bank up to 12 days (the period you don't get paid if you end up having to take an extended leave) Any after that you get paid for.

Seems to work out pretty well for most people.

The gig economy is an abandonment of traditional employment, and the use of temps or contract workers. Education is not any hedge against that form of employment insecurity. It is a growing trend., even within the professions. https://www.naco.org/featured-resour...se-gig-economy

Anchoring benefits to the employer or employment cuts out those who are self employed or other nontraditional employment from traditional avenues of accessing benefits.

[lilpixieofterror]

The gig economy is an abandonment of traditional employment, and the use of temps or contract workers. Education is not any hedge against that form of employment insecurity. It is a growing trend., even within the professions. https://www.naco.org/featured-resour...se-gig-economy

Anchoring benefits to the employer or employment cuts out those who are self employed or other nontraditional employment from traditional avenues of accessing benefits.

Did you ever think some people might like that kind of work vs your cookie cutter solutions? I have a neighbor that does contract work and loves it, he can pick his own hours and schedule things around his family. Several journalists do that and it’s great because they can plan their lives around their work. Not everyone wants to work a 9-5 job, stop forcing your beliefs on others and calling it ‘compassion’ because it isn’t.