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    Richard Rohr

    Some members of my church including the Pastor love Richard Rohr.

    I don't know anything about him and don't know where to start finding out.

    Do any of you know what he believes or have an opinion of him and his teachings?

    Thanks.

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    A simple search brings this up.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rohr

    There's probably more out there.

    Looks like he's good with the LGBT community, which in my opinion negates anything else good he might have to say.

    I guess it depends whether you are Catholic and/or liberal at your church. If not, I would certainly question anyone in a Protestant conservative movement following him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    A simple search brings this up.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rohr

    There's probably more out there.

    Looks like he's good with the LGBT community, which in my opinion negates anything else good he might have to say.

    I guess it depends whether you are Catholic and/or liberal at your church. If not, I would certainly question anyone in a Protestant conservative movement following him.
    Thanks. I found this:

    https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/r...-richard-rohr/

    Clip: No Christian believer who delves into this great literature will go back to Rohr’s Universal Christ and find much of value there. The pity today—for people like Michael Gungor—is that one finds so little preaching and teaching in the churches on the truth, mystery, and majesty of Christ’s incarnation, and so little cognizance of the vast repository of wisdom contained in the Christian spiritual tradition.

    Until Christian leaders discover for themselves the riches of Scripture and the insights of holy men and women of the past, the spiritually hungry people of our time may pick up The Universal Christ at the library or bookstore, and suppose that this is a book of Christian spirituality. They’ll take home this lump of stone in place of bread. Shepherds and teachers, give heed.

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    Here's another article about issues with Rohr.

    https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/r...-divine-dance/


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Here's another article about issues with Rohr.

    https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/r...-divine-dance/
    Sometimes a member of my Bible Study class will emai us with the thoughts of Richard Rohr. This is the latest one:

    Richard Rohr Meditation: At-one-ment, Not Atonement

    The Franciscan view of atonement theory is a prime example of our alternative orthodoxy. The Franciscan School was dissatisfied with the popular theological idea that Jesus came to Earth as a necessary sacrifice to appease an angry God. As human consciousness advances, more and more people cannot believe that God would demand Jesus’ blood as payment for our sins. It seems to be inevitable that our old logic needs to break up before we can begin to grow up.

    The most common reading of the Bible is that Jesus “died for our sins”—either to pay a debt to the devil (generally believed in the first millennium) or to pay a debt to God (proposed by Anselm of Canterbury in the 11th century and holding sway for most of the second millennium). But even in the 13th century, Franciscan philosopher and theologian John Duns Scotus (1266–1308) agreed with neither of these understandings.

    Duns Scotus was not guided by the Temple language of debt, atonement, and blood sacrifice, which was understandably used by the Gospel writers and by Paul. Instead, he was inspired by the cosmic hymns in the first chapters of Colossians and Ephesians and the Prologue to John’s Gospel (1:1-18). While the Church has never rejected the Franciscan position, it has remained a minority view.

    The terrible and un-critiqued premise of many “substitutionary atonement theories” is that God demanded Jesus to be a blood sacrifice to “atone” for our sin-drenched humanity. As if God could need payment, and even a very violent transaction, to be able to love and accept God’s own children! These theories are based on retributive justice rather than the restorative justice that the prophets and Jesus taught.

    For Duns Scotus, the incarnation of God and the redemption of the world could never be a mere Plan B or mop-up exercise in response to human sinfulness; Jesus’ birth, life, and death had to be Plan A, the proactive work of God from the very beginning. We were “chosen in Christ before the world was made” (Ephesians 1:4). Our sin could not possibly be the motive for the incarnation! Only perfect love and divine self-revelation could inspire God to come in human form. God never merely reacts, but supremely and freely acts—out of love.

    Jesus did not come to change the mind of God about humanity. It did not need changing. Jesus came to change the mind of humanity about God! God is not someone to be afraid of but is the Ground of Being and on our side. [1]
    The Franciscan minority position, our alternative orthodoxy, is basically saying that no atonement is necessary. Some call it “at-one-ment” instead of atonement. There is no bill to be paid; there is simply a union to be named. Jesus didn’t come to solve a problem; he came to reveal the true nature of God as Love.

    What do you think about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    There is no bill to be paid; there is simply a union to be named. Jesus didn’t come to solve a problem; he came to reveal the true nature of God as Love.

    What do you think about this?
    Not-so-closeted liberal theology, 'sin is not the Big Problem'. Nothing new or remarkable here.

    Atonement is central to Scripture, and anyone trying to downplay that with dumb English wordplay should be automatically suspect.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nation’s political system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Not-so-closeted liberal theology, 'sin is not the Big Problem'. Nothing new or remarkable here.

    Atonement is central to Scripture, and anyone trying to downplay that with dumb English wordplay should be automatically suspect.
    I judged the article heresy. Wonder what these people do with this:

    Matthew 20:28 - '.. The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

  8. Amen mossrose amen'd this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    I judged the article heresy.
    Yes, your pastor loves a heretic despite the obvious heresy. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nation’s political system.

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    He's not even Christian, if this quoting of his book is accurate.

    I personally do not believe that Jesus came to found a separate religion as much as he came to present a universal message of vulnerability and foundational unity that is necessary for all religions, the human soul, and history itself to survive. Thus Christians can rightly call him “the Savior of the world” (John 4:42) but no longer in the competitive and imperialistic way that they have usually presented him. By very definition, vulnerability and unity do not compete or dominate. In fact, they make competition and domination impossible. The cosmic Christ is no threat to anything but separateness, illusion, domination, and any imperial ego. In that sense, Jesus, the Christ, is the ultimate threat, but first of all to Christians themselves. Only then will they have any universal and salvific message for the rest of the world” (181-82, emphases added).

    https://www.catholic.com/qa/a-primer-on-richard-rohr
    Prepare for the worst.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nation’s political system.

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    As I said in my previous post, Rohr lost me at his stance on homosexuality. Everything else he says about anything else is suspect.

    Looks like he likes to make up new terms and ideas about salvation, which is indeed heresy.


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