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    Wray: Trump campaign was illegally surveilled

    Under questioning from Republican Rep. John Ratcliffe of Texas, Wray, who deflected many questions by referring lawmakers back to Horowitz’s report, agreed that Page was surveilled illegally.

    “The report acknowledges that ... this was illegal surveillance with respect to at least several of these FISA applications, because there was not probable cause or proper predication, correct?” Ratcliffe asked.

    “Right,” Wray replied.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...lled-illegally


    FBI Director Christopher Wray just admitted that the FISA Warrants and Survailence of my campaign were illegal. So was the Fake Dossier. THEREFORE, THE WHOLE SCAM INVESTIGATION, THE MUELLER REPORT AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THREE YEARS, WAS A FIXED HOAX. WHO PAYS THE PRICE?....

    ....This is the biggest political crime in American History, by far. SIMPLY PUT, THE PARTY IN POWER ILLEGALLY SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN, BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER THE ELECTION, IN ORDER TO CHANGE OR NULLIFY THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION. IT CONTINUED ON WITH THE IMPEACHMENT HOAX. Terrible!
    https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTr...94751132114945
    The nothingburger circus is over, the real show begins.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nation’s political system.

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    I'm sure Wray will simply be portrayed as a Republican operative doing Trump's bidding.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post




    The nothingburger circus is over, the real show begins.
    Yeah, I'm sure the pressure on Wray to toe the party line, to concede to Trump what he wants, is great. Too bad he doesn't have what it takes to stare Trump down, but it is very tempting to think that since what Trump will do is fire you for doing that one might do more good giving in a little. That is how Trump gets what he wants, and so far its working.

    The fact so many like having a King has always been a problem. At least they think they do - till it goes bad. But right now, you guys think you want a strong fellow in the Whitehouse that will 'get things done' - especially the things you think you want to see done - unwilling to learn the lessons from history that created this country in the first place.

    Well, you have your King now. Heaven help us all - and may God forgive you your ignorance.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure the pressure on Wray to toe the party line, to concede to Trump what he wants, is great. Too bad he doesn't have what it takes to stare Trump down, but it is very tempting to think that since what Trump will do is fire you for doing that one might do more good giving in a little. That is how Trump gets what he wants, and so far its working.

    The fact so many like having a King has always been a problem. At least they think they do - till it goes bad. But right now, you guys think you want a strong fellow in the Whitehouse that will 'get things done' - especially the things you think you want to see done - unwilling to learn the lessons from history that created this country in the first place.

    Well, you have your King now. Heaven help us all - and may God forgive you your ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I'm sure Wray will simply be portrayed as a Republican operative doing Trump's bidding.
    I called it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure the pressure on Wray to toe the party line, to concede to Trump what he wants, is great. Too bad he doesn't have what it takes to stare Trump down, but it is very tempting to think that since what Trump will do is fire you for doing that one might do more good giving in a little. That is how Trump gets what he wants, and so far its working.

    The fact so many like having a King has always been a problem. At least they think they do - till it goes bad. But right now, you guys think you want a strong fellow in the Whitehouse that will 'get things done' - especially the things you think you want to see done - unwilling to learn the lessons from history that created this country in the first place.

    Well, you have your King now. Heaven help us all - and may God forgive you your ignorance.
    Jim,

    If you are so gung-ho on the rule of law, then you must SURELY not be allowing yourself to throw illegal search and seizure laws out the window - all in the name of your TrumpOCD? If a search is determined to be illegally obtained, do you feel it should still stand?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Jim,

    If you are so gung-ho on the rule of law, then you must SURELY not be allowing yourself to throw illegal search and seizure laws out the window - all in the name of your TrumpOCD? If a search is determined to be illegally obtained, do you feel it should still stand?
    Anyone whose fervid imagination describes Trump as a king has left all sense of reason behind. There is little point in attempting to dialog with someone whose mind is in such a state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Jim,

    If you are so gung-ho on the rule of law, then you must SURELY not be allowing yourself to throw illegal search and seizure laws out the window - all in the name of your TrumpOCD? If a search is determined to be illegally obtained, do you feel it should still stand?
    No - I would not be willing to throw illegal search and seizure out the window. Neither do I trust anyone under Trump's thumb to be able to make an objective determination on this issue since Trump has been actively engaged in obstruction over these issues for 3 years now.

    Trump was acquitted in a sham trial by his GOP minions and now is out for revenge, and he has no limits and has been given significantly more power. What we will see unfolding from here out will look more like what happens in central or south america than what we are accustomed to seeing happen in our own government. He will be hampered some by what remains of our justice system and laws, but with the reduced oversight and effectiveness of the separation of powers, it likely won't be enough.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I called it!
    To be 'portrayed' as something implies first one is not be the something itself.

    I will admit it is possible mistakes were made. But the outcome of those mistakes is being exaggerated and there will not be anything resembling justice in the outcome.

    First and foremost is the reality the rest of you keep sweeping under the rug:

    Any person looking for access to the higher working of our government and its national security with the shady Russian contacts and interactions found in Trump's own background and the backgrounds of those he was hiring should have been investigated, thoroughly. Period. Not to do so would have been negligence in the first degree. If mistakes were made in negotiating the necessary response, they should be treated as such, not as criminal acts as they are by this administration.

    Those pretending those connections did not present a clear and present danger to the US having been found in a top tier political candidate are themselves a danger to this country and its national security.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 02-11-2020 at 07:40 AM.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Anyone whose fervid imagination describes Trump as a king has left all sense of reason behind. There is little point in attempting to dialog with someone whose mind is in such a state.
    Anyone that doesn't recognize the increase in power Trump has gained in senate acquittal pushes him closer to the concept of "President as King "(which Barr supports) and has unbalanced the protections afforded by the separation of powers has left all sense behind. There is little point in a attempting to dialog with someone whose mind is in such a state.

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    Dismissals of this sort, of those one disagrees with, are a dime a dozen and the real indicator of a flawed mental state. Demonizing those we disagree with is the first step to ignorance. Without the influence of contrary ideas, our own capacity to be corrected is lost and we are doomed to persist in grave error once we it has found us.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 02-11-2020 at 08:13 AM.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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