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    Quote Originally Posted by Esther View Post
    Here they are. Do you also like these especially how specific they are? ...
    They are wonderfully specific. And cherry-picked without consideration of textual context, grammatical issues, and cultural context, they are useless at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    He created the Bush beer dynasty, no?
    That's Anheuser! and "Busch"

    But in the bible, he is portrayed as someone who was pretty easily manipulated by Esther. Wouldn't that mean he was hen-pecked? Pretty much the opposite of wifely submission and male headship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    That's Anheuser! and "Busch"
    DRAT!!!

    But in the bible, he is portrayed as someone who was pretty easily manipulated by Esther. Wouldn't that mean he was hen-pecked? Pretty much the opposite of wifely submission and male headship.
    Maybe he could be a deacon in a Baptist Church!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    They are wonderfully specific. And cherry-picked without consideration of textual context, grammatical issues, and cultural context, they are useless at best.
    If I had to somehow read the Bible and filter everything I read through consideration of textual context, grammatical issues, cultural context and concern myself whether what I am reading is perhaps useless at best I would be most disheartened. When the straightforward clear word makes sense why complicate it.

    I am daily encouraged I can pick up my Bible and read through from the beginning to the end of each book again and again. The things I don't understand and which I particularly need clarification about I can google and get an overview from different sources.

    Because you wrote off the scriptures I quoted as being, "useless at best" why don't you show how they should be read and understood applying your filters of, "consideration of textual context, grammatical issues, and cultural context".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esther View Post
    If I had to somehow read the Bible and filter everything I read through consideration of textual context, grammatical issues, cultural context and concern myself whether what I am reading is perhaps useless at best I would be most disheartened. When the straightforward clear word makes sense why complicate it.

    I am daily encouraged I can pick up my Bible and read through from the beginning to the end of each book again and again. The things I don't understand and which I particularly need clarification about I can google and get an overview from different sources.

    Because you wrote off the scriptures I quoted as being, "useless at best" why don't you show how they should be read and understood applying your filters of, "consideration of textual context, grammatical issues, and cultural context".
    Do you cover your head when you go into a church?

    I have been in Catholic churches where it is a common practice, though not in a couple of decades. At one time it was commonplace, now it stands out because it is not commonplace. But the bible does contain prohibitions on the uncovered feminine noggin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Do you cover your head when you go into a church?

    I have been in Catholic churches where it is a common practice, though not in a couple of decades. At one time it was commonplace, now it stands out because it is not commonplace. But the bible does contain prohibitions on the uncovered feminine noggin.
    When I was a kid in the '60s, the women at the local Free Methodist church wore bonnets.

    1 Cor. 11 is notoriously challenging. I'm currently going back over Cindy Westfall's view in Paul and Gender: Reclaiming the Apostle's Vision for Men and Women in Christ before finishing my reply to Esther.
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