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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    So, after firing vindman and Sondland, the president has decided to openly abuse his power and enlist the supposedly neutral DOJ and Barr to get a criminal off. He has inserted himself directly into the Justice system WRT the sentancing of Roger Stone. To the point ALL FOUR PROSECUTOR RESIGNED from the case.
    Vindman and Sondland are bureaucrats. I am more interested in elected officials keeping their jobs than bureaucrats (something Democrats are opposed to).

    Considering Trump can simply pardon Stone is one alternative. Would you prefer that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronson View Post
    Vindman and Sondland are bureaucrats. I am more interested in elected officials keeping their jobs than bureaucrats (something Democrats are opposed to).

    Considering Trump can simply pardon Stone is one alternative. Would you prefer that?
    Yes. This is about expanding his power and sending a message through retribution that those that put truth or country above his wishes will be punished. A pardon doesnt send that message or expand his power.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post


    Keep 'em coming, man! You're hilarious!
    And you are continuously on the wrong side of these issues. The fact liu was withdrawn because of her actions (or lack of action to reduce Stone's sentence) has been confirmed.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/polit...one/index.html

    I continue to marvel at the brain dead loyalty to a man that brazenly flaunts abuse of power and the sort of corruption the founding fathers fought and lost their lives to prevent.

    One thing Trump supporters who continue to excuse this president are not. They are not people that understand or have respect for the history and purposes that drove the founding of this country.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    And you are continuously on the wrong side of these issues. The fact liu was withdrawn because of her actions (or lack of action to reduce Stone's sentence) has been confirmed.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/polit...one/index.html
    "...CNN has learned."

    Learned from who?

    "...one person familiar with the thinking..." and "...a separate source familiar with the situation..."

    How many times are you going to fall for this same ruse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    There is no silver lining to the unknown level of power that the president now enjoys. However, I do hope he does not, is not able to, take it to the point people like you would actually begin to push back, because that threshold is so far over the cliff there would be no capacity to recover. We would be his royal subjects by that point.

    That is why I'm call him King Trump now. That is what you want. A king, someone that can trample all over anyone that would oppose him. Someone that can't be stopped from doing what you think you want done he wants.

    But that is NOT how the government of the US is designed to work. And that is EVERYTHING the founding fathers were trying to avoid.


    I think people prefer 'God-Emperor' to 'King' as a title for Trump. Mainly because it upsets lefties more than 'King'.


    Don't you think that there has been a lot wrong with the way American politics / government has been going, for a long time?

    Trump is hardly the first President to do something unconstitutional*, and it's not just the President, it's also other politicians, other branches of Government, including the judiciary, and many members of government agencies. Is Trump worse than previous Presidents? Maybe. He's definitely part of a (unhealthy) trend. America is on the downslope of it's empire glory days IMHO, history seems to indicate that it's almost impossible to reverse such a decline. Not that I'm rejoicing or gloating. Alternative empires could be considerably worse.

    I think that the next President after Trump's second term will 'go farther' than Trump did, just as (arguably) Trump has 'gone farther' than Obama did. But really the bigger problem is general societal malaise, moral decay and hedonism/selfishness; and the actions of non-elected bureaucrats who believe they should determine who gets to run the country, and how they should run it. It's pretty clear that significant and senior members of the 'intelligence community' have actively tried to discredit and hinder the elected President, since before he was even sworn in. That's a nightmare precedent everyone should be very concerned about.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The fact that she was actively posting during the trial and may have lied about her political affiliations during pretrial questioning is the kind of stuff that can get convictions overturned.
    Should, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    "...CNN has learned."

    Learned from who?

    "...one person familiar with the thinking..." and "...a separate source familiar with the situation..."

    How many times are you going to fall for this same ruse?
    How many times are you going to pretend those words are a valid excuse to ignore the truth?
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Yes. This is about expanding his power and sending a message through retribution that those that put truth or country above his wishes will be punished. A pardon doesnt send that message or expand his power.
    In many ways I agree, but let's be brutally honest here. If Trump had done so you would have started a thread about how, by pardoning Stone, Trump is letting everyone know that if they 'remain loyal' (i.e., 'lie') that whatever happens they'll get away with it because he'll pardon them. Tell me you wouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    I think people prefer 'God-Emperor' to 'King' as a title for Trump. Mainly because it upsets lefties more than 'King'.


    Don't you think that there has been a lot wrong with the way American politics / government has been going, for a long time?

    Trump is hardly the first President to do something unconstitutional*, and it's not just the President, it's also other politicians, other branches of Government, including the judiciary, and many members of government agencies. Is Trump worse than previous Presidents? Maybe. He's definitely part of a (unhealthy) trend. America is on the downslope of it's empire glory days IMHO, history seems to indicate that it's almost impossible to reverse such a decline. Not that I'm rejoicing or gloating. Alternative empires could be considerably worse.
    Unfortunately declines are not relative animals. Yes, the trend has been towards more presidential power for a while. And deteriorating societal morays have led to a greater tolerance of abuses of power and moral indiscretions by those same presidents. But that doesn't mean 'It's just more of the same'. The decline has a floor, it is not a bottomless pit. And the closer you get to that floor, the more dangerous any further decline is. The Floor is the loss of any control over the president, the dissolution of the separation of powers. Trump started closer to that floor than any other preseident, has almost no respect for the ideals that created the separation of powers, and has moved us farther along that decline - in the absolute sense - more than any other president. When you put all that together, we are now precipitously close to that floor. We need to be pushing back STRONGLY, and we do not need to be naively saying 'Oh well, it's just more of the same'.

    I think that the next President after Trump's second term will 'go farther' than Trump did, just as (arguably) Trump has 'gone farther' than Obama did. But really the bigger problem is general societal malaise, moral decay and hedonism/selfishness; and the actions of non-elected bureaucrats who believe they should determine who gets to run the country, and how they should run it. It's pretty clear that significant and senior members of the 'intelligence community' have actively tried to discredit and hinder the elected President, since before he was even sworn in. That's a nightmare precedent everyone should be very concerned about.
    I agree with all you have said here, excepting that I am very critical of Christians that echo the response of a society impacted by that same societal malaise and moral misdirection.

    This country was founded on strong ideals that themselves grew out of a strong Christian heritage. And those ideals are being disemboweled on every front by the Trump administration. And here on TWEB the cry is 'this is normal, this is ok, it's no big deal, he's just another bureaucrat'. And the reality is, no, this is no longer something we can tolerate as normal, we are too close to the floor I mention above. No this is not ok, no we cannot just sit back and pretend that since he's scratching our backs a bit that we can ignore the bigger picture of where he is taking us in terms of its affront on the most basic ideals that have served to make this nation the great nation it has been for over 250 years.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 02-13-2020 at 07:13 AM.
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    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    In many ways I agree, but let's be brutally honest here. If Trump had done so you would have started a thread about how, by pardoning Stone, Trump is letting everyone know that if they 'remain loyal' (i.e., 'lie') that whatever happens they'll get away with it because he'll pardon them. Tell me you wouldn't.
    He's going to pardon him anyway, if not this year then definitely after the election, win or lose, something he doesn't want to say at the moment. Trump now has control of the DOJ, and through the DOJ he has control of the FBI. You wanted a dictator it seems, and your not far off from getting one. Good job!

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