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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    She would be better than Bernie Sanders, who has passed next to zero meaningful legislation in all his time in the Senate. But if you are of the mindset that you would not want a Democratic president to achieve anything, perhaps you should prefer Sanders.
    I find it funny the candidates for President make promises about all the big changes they will make, like Bernie saying he will make college free, free healthcare, etc. as if the POTUS has the power to do that. He can lobby for it, but it is up to congress to make those kinds of changes. And Bernie has been in congress forever and hasn't done it so far, so how would he do it as POTUS?

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    She sounds like Roseanne Barr or Fran from The Nanny. :blockears: smiley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    She's hanging in there. I am starting to hope she is the Democratic candidate. She seems to be pretty moderate and isn't happy with how left the Democratic party has gone.

    She supports the second amendment:


    Amy Klobuchar has long been a champion for commonsense gun safety legislation. Born and raised in a state with a tradition of responsible gun ownership, she understands that Second Amendment rights need to be balanced with measures to keep firearms away from dangerous people.
    https://giffords.org/blog/2019/10/co...n-safety-blog/

    She is against socialism:


    In an interview with CBS's Ed O'Keefe, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Amy Klobuchar explained why she is "troubled" by the idea of Bernie Sanders leading the Democratic ticket in November.

    ED O'KEEFE, CBS NEWS: In Friday night's debate, you were the only one who raised their hand when you were asked if you had concerns about the potential of a self-described Democratic Socialist atop the Democratic Party in November's election. Elaborate again on why you're concerned about Bernie Sanders.

    AMY KLOBUCHAR: Why I raised my hand? The question should be why didn't everyone else raise their hand? But they didn't, because people are looking at each other, and it may not be popular, and you're going to anger some people, but I believe in leading and doing what you think is right, and that's why I raised my hand, because I am troubled by having a socialist lead our ticket.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ur_ticket.html

    She wants to keep pro-life democrats in the party instead of booting them out

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) on Tuesday said that the Democratic Party should be a "big tent" for people of different beliefs, including those who oppose abortion rights.

    Klobuchar, who is running as a centrist candidate and alternative to Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), said while she is "pro-choice" but she doesn't think the party should shut out Democrats who disagree.

    "There are pro-life Democrats, and they are part of our party, and I think we need to build a big tent," she said.

    "I think we need to bring people in instead of shutting them out."
    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...tion-democrats
    I like Klobuchar as well, but the NRA gave her an F rating on her stance on guns, and to think she is against DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, which you don't seem to be able to distiguish from socialism, you're just wrong. She is all for Universal health care, her argument is just in how best to get there. Like Buttigieg, she believes the public option, which is still what you would call socialism, is the best way to get there. And btw, none of the democrat candidates want to shut people out. She's running a political campaign, remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I find it funny the candidates for President make promises about all the big changes they will make, like Bernie saying he will make college free, free healthcare, etc. as if the POTUS has the power to do that. He can lobby for it, but it is up to congress to make those kinds of changes. And Bernie has been in congress forever and hasn't done it so far, so how would he do it as POTUS?
    I think everybody knows that what they are promising is to fight for the agenda that they are campaigning on. Or at least most people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I find it funny the candidates for President make promises about all the big changes they will make, like Bernie saying he will make college free, free healthcare, etc. as if the POTUS has the power to do that. He can lobby for it, but it is up to congress to make those kinds of changes. And Bernie has been in congress forever and hasn't done it so far, so how would he do it as POTUS?
    I think everybody knows that what they are promising is to fight for the agenda that they are campaigning on. Or at least most people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I find it funny the candidates for President make promises about all the big changes they will make, like Bernie saying he will make college free, free healthcare, etc. as if the POTUS has the power to do that. He can lobby for it, but it is up to congress to make those kinds of changes. And Bernie has been in congress forever and hasn't done it so far, so how would he do it as POTUS?
    The usual quid pro quo. 'If you put it in, I won't veto your budget'.
    Trump is basically "Bruce Wayne pretending to be a foppish retarded billionaire" tier genius, in case nerds need a simpler metaphor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    She would be better than Bernie Sanders, who has passed next to zero meaningful legislation in all his time in the Senate.
    Eh? Sanders has the record of getting the highest number of amendments passed of any congressperson. They generally did pretty nifty things too, here's a list.

    His most famous piece of complete legislation was when he worked with John McCain to create the Veterans Health Care Bill which Obama signed and which Trump regularly tries to take credit for.
    Last edited by Starlight; 02-13-2020 at 01:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I find it funny the candidates for President make promises about all the big changes they will make, like Bernie saying he will make college free, free healthcare, etc. as if the POTUS has the power to do that. He can lobby for it, but it is up to congress to make those kinds of changes. And Bernie has been in congress forever and hasn't done it so far, so how would he do it as POTUS?
    If a majority of the US populace elects a person as President because of a list of policies they are promising, chances are pretty good congress will take notice of the fact that those policies are popular and desired.

    In general, as a result, congresspeople from the President's own party tend to vote for the President's agenda. If they don't, chances are their own district will vote them out at the next election, and the President has a variety of ways to increase the chances of that happening if he wants, and congresspeople know it.

    If the President's party doesn't have a majority in congress, then congress can and often does, block pretty much everything the President wants to do, as happened under Obama, cos that's how the US system works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    I think everybody knows that what they are promising is to fight for the agenda that they are campaigning on. Or at least most people do.
    Since congress would be the one to pass such legislation, why didn't he get it done when Obama was president? Sanders had more power to change things as a senator than he would has President. It's all empty promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    If a majority of the US populace elects a person as President because of a list of policies they are promising, chances are pretty good congress will take notice of the fact that those policies are popular and desired.

    In general, as a result, congresspeople from the President's own party tend to vote for the President's agenda. If they don't, chances are their own district will vote them out at the next election, and the President has a variety of ways to increase the chances of that happening if he wants, and congresspeople know it.

    If the President's party doesn't have a majority in congress, then congress can and often does, block pretty much everything the President wants to do, as happened under Obama, cos that's how the US system works.
    This, of course, is somewhat complicated by the fact that our country doesn't elect a president by the majority of the populace.
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