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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I find it funny the candidates for President make promises about all the big changes they will make, like Bernie saying he will make college free, free healthcare, etc. as if the POTUS has the power to do that. He can lobby for it, but it is up to congress to make those kinds of changes. And Bernie has been in congress forever and hasn't done it so far, so how would he do it as POTUS?
    The usual quid pro quo. 'If you put it in, I won't veto your budget'.
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      She would be better than Bernie Sanders, who has passed next to zero meaningful legislation in all his time in the Senate.
      Eh? Sanders has the record of getting the highest number of amendments passed of any congressperson. They generally did pretty nifty things too, here's a list.

      His most famous piece of complete legislation was when he worked with John McCain to create the Veterans Health Care Bill which Obama signed and which Trump regularly tries to take credit for.
      Last edited by Starlight; 02-13-2020, 02:24 AM.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        I find it funny the candidates for President make promises about all the big changes they will make, like Bernie saying he will make college free, free healthcare, etc. as if the POTUS has the power to do that. He can lobby for it, but it is up to congress to make those kinds of changes. And Bernie has been in congress forever and hasn't done it so far, so how would he do it as POTUS?
        If a majority of the US populace elects a person as President because of a list of policies they are promising, chances are pretty good congress will take notice of the fact that those policies are popular and desired.

        In general, as a result, congresspeople from the President's own party tend to vote for the President's agenda. If they don't, chances are their own district will vote them out at the next election, and the President has a variety of ways to increase the chances of that happening if he wants, and congresspeople know it.

        If the President's party doesn't have a majority in congress, then congress can and often does, block pretty much everything the President wants to do, as happened under Obama, cos that's how the US system works.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JimL View Post
          I think everybody knows that what they are promising is to fight for the agenda that they are campaigning on. Or at least most people do.
          Since congress would be the one to pass such legislation, why didn't he get it done when Obama was president? Sanders had more power to change things as a senator than he would has President. It's all empty promises.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            If a majority of the US populace elects a person as President because of a list of policies they are promising, chances are pretty good congress will take notice of the fact that those policies are popular and desired.

            In general, as a result, congresspeople from the President's own party tend to vote for the President's agenda. If they don't, chances are their own district will vote them out at the next election, and the President has a variety of ways to increase the chances of that happening if he wants, and congresspeople know it.

            If the President's party doesn't have a majority in congress, then congress can and often does, block pretty much everything the President wants to do, as happened under Obama, cos that's how the US system works.
            This, of course, is somewhat complicated by the fact that our country doesn't elect a president by the majority of the populace.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Eh? Sanders has the record of getting the highest number of amendments passed of any congressperson. They generally did pretty nifty things too, here's a list.

              His most famous piece of complete legislation was when he worked with John McCain to create the Veterans Health Care Bill which Obama signed and which Trump regularly tries to take credit for.
              So he is the king of putting riders on to existing bills to get his way? Not something to be very proud of. Riding on the coat-tails of the work of others.

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