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  • #16
    Originally posted by simplicio View Post
    ... I do think your approach is rather silly, as well as insulting to Christians. St Paul's writings are very difficult ...
    You are no St. Paul.

    ** long ramble **
    Good grief, just get to the questions.

    (what was MM's point and how did he make it?) ... (What was Demi's point and how did he make it?) ... (What was Starlight's point and how did he make it?)
    This is poor writing. Are you asking me about whether they've made these points, and how they made them? Or are you saying that they did make these points and phrased them those ways? It is not clear at all to me what you're asking me here. If the purpose of your thread is to criticize Mountain Man and Demi-conservative, then simply quote them, underline the points you see they have in common and take it from there.

    Is it credible that the Dems would instigate war to undermine Trump?
    No.

    How widely accepted are the theories on a shadow government working behind the scenes to frustrate and subvert the United States? ... AND, Have those ideas popped up before on Tweb
    We have to go back years if you want to find someone on tweb seriously arguing that stuff. There was a particular twebber years ago who used to have long pile-on threads usually about various crank topics, and among his favorites was the Kennedy Assassination and similar conspiracy theories.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
      You are no St. Paul.



      Good grief, just get to the questions.



      This is poor writing. Are you asking me about whether they've made these points, and how they made them? Or are you saying that they did make these points and phrased them those ways? It is not clear at all to me what you're asking me here. If the purpose of your thread is to criticize Mountain Man and Demi-conservative, then simply quote them, underline the points you see they have in common and take it from there.



      No.



      We have to go back years if you want to find someone on tweb seriously arguing that stuff. There was a particular twebber years ago who used to have long pile-on threads usually about various crank topics, and among his favorites was the Kennedy Assassination and similar conspiracy theories.
      I've never said that I was anything close to that great saint.

      The "long ramble" compared the responses to the stories linked to in the OP. And when asked what was the point MM and Demi were making, you wouldn't even hazard a guess, but were able to parse it skillfully. But unable to parse a likely meaning to the question.

      You don't have to go back so very far. MM and Demi may not have been seriously arguing it, they were just making surprisingly similar sounding ideas. And "without reading the story", Demi came pretty darn close to the conspiracy theory:
      Trump has stymied it for now sums up the conspiracy story

      [i]Once this all played out.....the president called off the strike[/l]

      Note MM quite happily conceded that the conspiracy story was quite consistent with what the Dems want, and Demi even explicitly stated that it is plausible. Hmmm sounds like a priori beliefs to me.

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      • #18
        Maybe Dem politics is remorsefully deceitful, but then that leaves us with the obvious conclusion that democracy is a naive delusion (Jefferson the father of the hopelessly naive delusion?)

        No overlap in patterns between MM, Demi and the story on factcheck?

        Tweb posters don't supply the details of the theory. They just supply the motivations

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        • #19
          Originally posted by simplicio View Post
          Hmmm sounds like a priori beliefs to me.
          Stop breaking my irony meters too.
          Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
            Stop breaking my irony meters too.
            the term a priori beliefs is probably likely to burn out any irony meter you may have, from your posts it is evident you do have a significant capacity for irony. Or are you merely parroting some slight you read elsewhere?

            the a priori plays a significant role in acceptance conspiracy theory, usually, those who accept it already have the accepted the underlying idea (Dems destroying the world, in this example), along with the propensity for accepting other conspiracy.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by seanD View Post
              I've never even heard of that conspiracy. I've never even seen hints of it proposed by anyone. It looks like "factcheck" got some fringe idea from some fringe site and decided to create a strawman so they can then claim they debunked something that no one ever even heard about (which is what they often do). WSJ actually claimed the senator Reps were were using impeachment to pressure Trump to start a war with Iran, which turned out to be bunk. But at least that made some political sense.
              Lets go through all the questions:

              Do Dems want war? You have your opinion on this, and it is your prerogative to keep it to your self. But a couple of posters did answer it, with a resoung YES!

              Is it credible? A more complex question, which tacitly brings in the more provocative question of whether credible people accept it. Are the persons Credible or credulous?

              How many accept the deep state theories? It popped up on the news quite often.

              Have the ideas popped up on tweb? Which ideas could I be referring to? The ideas found sprinkled throughout the OP. Ever seen deep state theories on tweb

              I agree, it is unlikely that you have ever seen this particular theory. But you most certainly have already met with all of its story pieces. That is, if you've read tweb......In fact, more than one poster noted that the Dems want a war.

              I think it more accurate to say that you've never see that conspiracy..... all in one story.
              Last edited by simplicio; 02-17-2020, 02:24 AM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                the a priori plays a significant role in rejecting conspiracy theory, usually, those who reject it already have rejected the underlying idea and have some naive view of the world
                Fixed.
                Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                  Fixed.
                  So the conspiracist is the reasoning soul who correctly perceives the world and its events. Gotcha.

                  Just like the question which baffled a couple of posters here: Do Dems want war?

                  On this thread and others the answer was an unambiguous "yes!"; and when confronted with an actual scenario for explaining world events, again the answer was an empaphatic "Yes, the Dems want a war".

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                    You are no St. Paul.



                    Good grief, just get to the questions.



                    This is poor writing. Are you asking me about whether they've made these points, and how they made them? Or are you saying that they did make these points and phrased them those ways? It is not clear at all to me what you're asking me here. If the purpose of your thread is to criticize Mountain Man and Demi-conservative, then simply quote them, underline the points you see they have in common and take it from there.



                    No.



                    We have to go back years if you want to find someone on tweb seriously arguing that stuff. There was a particular twebber years ago who used to have long pile-on threads usually about various crank topics, and among his favorites was the Kennedy Assassination and similar conspiracy theories.
                    I think you’re thinking of the user ‘Augustine’.
                    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                    • #25
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
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                        The hero America needs, but doesn't deserve.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          The hero America needs, but doesn't deserve.

                          Coming to a theater soon.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
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                            Bernie Sanders, warmonger?

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                            • #29
                              I think it obvious, self evident, that the deep state conspiracies do have a certain following, those who accept the basis of the story.

                              Here we have some who agree that the Dems are willing to go for the pyrrhic victory, even if the details of ant particular story are not accepted.

                              Conspiracies seldom spring up out of whole cloth, the broad outlines are accepted before the conspiracy is presented. The people are prepared for the conspiracy.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                                I think you’re thinking of the user ‘Augustine’.
                                That might have been him. He also had some massively long threads in NatSci where he was posting about solar panel news, just end to end posting. It's how a lot of his threads were I think.

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