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    Evidence dinosaurs were warm blooded

    Source: https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/fossil-eggshells-suggest-all-dinosaurs-may-have-been-warm-blooded



    Fossil Eggshells Suggest All Dinosaurs May Have Been Warm-Blooded
    New analysis reveals body temps in same range as modern birds.

    Were all dinosaurs warm-blooded? Were any of them warm-blooded? The question of endothermy has long been, ahem, a hot topic in paleontology. No doubt a new study, using a recently developed method, will fire up the debate.

    Unlike cold-blooded ectotherms, endotherms have the ability to regulate their body temperature internally. They generate, conserve and shed heat in response to their environment, making them generally more adaptable to different climates and ecological niches.

    Most animals, including reptiles, are ectotherms. Mammals, birds and a handful of fish are either endotherms or evolved some degree of endothermy. Because warm-blooded birds evolved from dinosaurs, and dinosaurs evolved from cold-blooded reptiles, researchers have long sought clues to just where in the reptile-to-bird story things heated up.

    From Analog To Isotope
    Over the years, researchers have come up with a number of theories about warm-blooded dinosaurs, but they've been based almost entirely on looking at living animals and extrapolating. Comparing the bone structure of some dinosaurs with that of modern birds, for example, suggested that at least some of the extinct animals may have evolved endothermic abilities.

    These kinds of comparisons can be problematic, however, because they're based on the assumption that dinosaurs lived, breathed and grew the same way modern animals do.

    More recently, researchers have been looking for dinosaur endothermy with a method called carbonate clumped isotope paleothermometry. Paleothermometry itself is nothing new; it's been around for decades as a way to model ancient ocean temperatures, climates and other environmental patterns using proxies.

    For example: The density of the cells that form a tree's annual growth ring varies based on the ambient temperature and humidity of the tree's environment. Researchers have used these subtle changes to reconstruct ancient climate patterns.

    Carbonate clumped isotope paleothermometry zeroes in on, yes, carbonates. Living things are one of the many sources of these chemical compounds, and tooth enamel and eggshells in particular are full of them. The exact composition and structure of the carbonate varies based on the temperature at the time it formed. By analyzing this variation, researchers are able to determine what the body temperature of the animal was.

    Avoiding Ambient Noise
    The paleothermometry method was previously used to estimate body temperature for species in two of the major groups of dinosaurs: sauropods (the often-enormous, four-legged, long-necked plant-eaters) and theropods (the bipedal, generally carnivorous dinosaurs, including the lineage that eventually gave rise to birds).

    These previous studies suggested that the animals had body temperatures of about 32-38 degrees Celsius (about 90-100 degrees Fahrenheit), which put them in the range of modern endotherms.

    There were some questions about the dinosaur specimens used, however, because they were collected from sites that, back in the Mesozoic, would have been in the low to mid-latitudes. Seasonal temperatures in these locations may have reached 100 degrees or more, potentially skewing the paleothermometry data.

    For example, a separate study using the method sampled eggshells from cold-blooded animals ó bearded lizards and tortoises ó living at the Los Angeles Zoo. The samples fell into the range of living endotherms because of the warm environment.

    To avoid this problem, most of the samples in the new study came from dinosaur eggshells found in Alberta, Canada, which would have had cooler ambient temperatures. Therefore any higher paleothermometry readings would be a strong indicator of endothermy.

    One of the species sampled, Maiasaura peeblesorum, is the first ornithischian dinosaur to be tested using this method. Ornithischians were the first major lineage of dinosaurs to split off onto their own branch, making them, of all dinosaurs, the most distant relatives of modern birds.

    Including an ornithischian in the study is significant because of their evolutionary distance to birds, but also because it means all three major groups of dinosaurs have now been analyzed using this method of paleothermometry.

    Another species in the study, the theropod Troodon formosus, is more closely related to the lineage that evolved into birds. The third sample came from eggshells collected in Romania and tentatively assigned to a sauropod, Magyarosaurus.

    Endothermy
    In the evolution of archosaurs, alligators and other crocodilians remained ectothermic, or cold-blooded. Birds adapted to be endothermic, or warm-blooded. To learn which camp dinosaurs fell into, researchers sampled material from three species representing the three major groups of Dinosauria. (Credit: Dawson et al 2020).

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    As an aside I just picked up a few fossilized Hadrosaur eggs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    As an aside I just picked up a few fossilized Hadrosaur eggs.
    Did you eat them with fossilized bacon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Did you eat them with fossilized bacon?






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    Oops, it's President's Day

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    So you're bald?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    So you're bald?
    He was part of the roguetech crew that excavated the slab of petrified bacon. To say it was crispy is an understatement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    He was part of the roguetech crew that excavated the slab of petrified bacon. To say it was crispy is an understatement.
    So you're bald?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    So you're bald?
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    Doesn't look it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Does to me, baldy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Does to me, baldy.
    I'll remove the filter that acts kinda sorta like one of those dog whistle-thingies in that only TROO CHRISTIANSô can see through it



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