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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    You'd need more than many, many, many, many generations before any dogs had wings. You'd need straight out genetic manipulation to even have a chance.
    What? I thought you all believed in natural mutation and evolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    I daresay that for the most part the "public at large" would likely say "Roman Pulled-who"? His peers have never cared as evidenced by the number of awards and nominations he's garnered through the years.
    I'm far more concerned about what the public as a whole thinks than what a few Hollywood elites think. Isn't it a common conservative trope that what these elites think is completely disconnected from societal thought as a whole (i.e. Ricky Gervais striking a chord with the greater public)? If so, then why does it matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I'm far more concerned about what the public as a whole thinks than what a few Hollywood elites think. Isn't it a common conservative trope that what these elites think is completely disconnected from societal thought as a whole (i.e. Ricky Gervais striking a chord with the greater public)? If so, then why does it matter?
    I was pointing out that the public at large is unlikely to know who he is or about his sexual predatory past. Further, these sort of folks are often cocooned in their bubbles filled with celebrities and their sycophants. I doubt he's personally received a scornful reaction from anyone in the last decade.

    Moreover, I recall a documentary on him a decade or two back which mentioned the scandal in detail but showed him traveling around France near his home being treated as a celebrity and a star by the public at large.


    ETA: I see he was voted out of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in 2018 so perhaps there's hope. But then again, that was during the height of the #MeToo movement and things could change again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    As I said, I am a scientist who does this for a living with regard to selective breeding of an animal species, and no, you can't easily change the population average 'rather quickly'. It actually happens rather slowly.

    The statistics Rogue cited here about it taking 22 generations to breed out a trait seem rather pessimistic
    You are strawmanning. I did not talk about 'breeding out a trait', merely making a population much taller than average., which can be done in <10 generations.

    Once we've got those tools working well (perhaps in as little as 15 years), we'll pretty much immediately be able to cure almost every genetic disease, which will be rather useful for many people.
    The view that 'we'll be able to hack human biology very soon' is proven naivety, they said that about the human genome project.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    His name is mud in society at large. You seem to be making my point for me.

    The greater point that I was trying to make that nobody addressed
    No one is addressing how Good Morning America and others have promoted child drag queens. Stop trying to play the dumb moderate.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I'm far more concerned about what the public as a whole thinks than what a few Hollywood elites think. Isn't it a common conservative trope that what these elites think is completely disconnected from societal thought as a whole (i.e. Ricky Gervais striking a chord with the greater public)? If so, then why does it matter?
    Because homosex being normalised was in great part due to Hollywood and other media lapped up unthinkingly by the public. The current promotion of child drag queen and 'transexual' children are the first blatant attempts at influencing the public on pedophilia.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    The view that 'we'll be able to hack human biology very soon' is proven naivety, they said that about the human genome project.
    Who is 'they'? What did they say? And why is someone else being wrong in the past relevant to whether I'm right or wrong in the present?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Who is 'they'? What did they say?
    Look it up.

    And why is someone else being wrong in the past relevant to whether I'm right or wrong in the present?
    You can be naive and right, like a broken clock.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Look it up.
    Since the "quote" returns no results on a Google search you might want to source it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Since the paraphrase
    Fixed.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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