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  • #31
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    You'd need more than many, many, many, many generations before any dogs had wings. You'd need straight out genetic manipulation to even have a chance.
    What? I thought you all believed in natural mutation and evolution?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      I daresay that for the most part the "public at large" would likely say "Roman Pulled-who"? His peers have never cared as evidenced by the number of awards and nominations he's garnered through the years.
      I'm far more concerned about what the public as a whole thinks than what a few Hollywood elites think. Isn't it a common conservative trope that what these elites think is completely disconnected from societal thought as a whole (i.e. Ricky Gervais striking a chord with the greater public)? If so, then why does it matter?
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      • #33
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        I'm far more concerned about what the public as a whole thinks than what a few Hollywood elites think. Isn't it a common conservative trope that what these elites think is completely disconnected from societal thought as a whole (i.e. Ricky Gervais striking a chord with the greater public)? If so, then why does it matter?
        I was pointing out that the public at large is unlikely to know who he is or about his sexual predatory past. Further, these sort of folks are often cocooned in their bubbles filled with celebrities and their sycophants. I doubt he's personally received a scornful reaction from anyone in the last decade.

        Moreover, I recall a documentary on him a decade or two back which mentioned the scandal in detail but showed him traveling around France near his home being treated as a celebrity and a star by the public at large.


        ETA: I see he was voted out of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in 2018 so perhaps there's hope. But then again, that was during the height of the #MeToo movement and things could change again.
        Last edited by rogue06; 02-20-2020, 09:38 AM.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          As I said, I am a scientist who does this for a living with regard to selective breeding of an animal species, and no, you can't easily change the population average 'rather quickly'. It actually happens rather slowly.

          The statistics Rogue cited here about it taking 22 generations to breed out a trait seem rather pessimistic
          You are strawmanning. I did not talk about 'breeding out a trait', merely making a population much taller than average., which can be done in <10 generations.

          Once we've got those tools working well (perhaps in as little as 15 years), we'll pretty much immediately be able to cure almost every genetic disease, which will be rather useful for many people.
          The view that 'we'll be able to hack human biology very soon' is proven naivety, they said that about the human genome project.
          Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            His name is mud in society at large. You seem to be making my point for me.

            The greater point that I was trying to make that nobody addressed
            No one is addressing how Good Morning America and others have promoted child drag queens. Stop trying to play the dumb moderate.
            Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              I'm far more concerned about what the public as a whole thinks than what a few Hollywood elites think. Isn't it a common conservative trope that what these elites think is completely disconnected from societal thought as a whole (i.e. Ricky Gervais striking a chord with the greater public)? If so, then why does it matter?
              Because homosex being normalised was in great part due to Hollywood and other media lapped up unthinkingly by the public. The current promotion of child drag queen and 'transexual' children are the first blatant attempts at influencing the public on pedophilia.
              Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                The view that 'we'll be able to hack human biology very soon' is proven naivety, they said that about the human genome project.
                Who is 'they'? What did they say? And why is someone else being wrong in the past relevant to whether I'm right or wrong in the present?
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Who is 'they'? What did they say?
                  Look it up.

                  And why is someone else being wrong in the past relevant to whether I'm right or wrong in the present?
                  You can be naive and right, like a broken clock.
                  Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                    Look it up.
                    Since the "quote" returns no results on a Google search you might want to source it.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Since the paraphrase
                      Fixed.
                      Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                        Fixed.
                        Paraphrases are not in quotation marks

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Paraphrases are not in quotation marks
                          a rough interpretation of some expression

                          Single quotes paraphrase what someone said without being exact, but they have the effect of still attributing something said to someone
                          https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-di...otes-like-this
                          Starlight could tell the intention was not a direct quotation, so go anklebite someone else.
                          Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                            Starlight could tell the intention was not a direct quotation
                            That's why I couldn't look it up... you didn't say who said it nor what they said. Googling your paraphrase gives a few 2019 articles, which I doubt was what you were referring to given you talked about their predictions of future technological development having failed to come to pass and there's hardly been sufficient time for any 2019 predictions of the future to have failed yet.

                            That's why I asked you for clarification about who/what you were quoting, which you haven't provided.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Since the "quote" returns no results on a Google search you might want to source it.
                              Google actively filters out news articles older than about eight years, you have the Google News Archive

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                                The view that 'we'll be able to hack human biology very soon' is proven naivety, they said that about the human genome project.
                                I don't recall any scientists saying things like that. The media was rather hyped about it, though it's taken more than 15 years before we had CRISPR which finally allowed us to do in-vitro gene editing. People in general tend to overestimate what can be done in the short term, and underestimate what can be done in the long term.

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