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  • #31
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The way things are currently tracking, Bloomberg could siphon off just enough delegates to keep Crazy Bernie from earning the plurality needed to avoid a brokered convention.
    I dunno. Let's see how Super Tuesday plays out after people have had a chance to criticize him. As has been pointed out, Sanders pretty much has the leftist vote sewn up, while the non-Sanders/Warren voters split the remainder. Bloomberg is mostly a threat to the Buttigieg/Klobuchar campaigns, and taking votes from them may give Sanders the edge he needs to run away with it all.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by JimL View Post
      If you'd actually like to understand the difference, look at Denmark.
      Denmarkbegs to differ with you.
      Source: IBD

      While speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, the center-right Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said he was aware "that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism."

      "Therefore," he said, "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

      Rasmussen acknowledged that "the Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens," but he also noted that it is "a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."

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      • #33
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        I dunno. Let's see how Super Tuesday plays out after people have had a chance to criticize him. As has been pointed out, Sanders pretty much has the leftist vote sewn up, while the non-Sanders/Warren voters split the remainder. Bloomberg is mostly a threat to the Buttigieg/Klobuchar campaigns, and taking votes from them may give Sanders the edge he needs to run away with it all.
        Even if he wins a majority of the delegates, if it doesn't cross the 50% threshold then it goes to a second round of voting, and that's when the knives really come out.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


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        • #34
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Even if he wins a majority of the delegates, if it doesn't cross the 50% threshold then it goes to a second round of voting, and that's when the knives really come out.
          Um, wouldn't a majority of the delegates necessarily cross the 50% threshold? You're also not really addressing what I said; Bloomberg is unlikely to peel off many Sanders voters, so unless he surges well past Buttigieg and Klochubar, he's only kneecapping their chances to take Sanders down.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            Denmarkbegs to differ with you.
            Source: IBD

            While speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, the center-right Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said he was aware "that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism."

            "Therefore," he said, "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

            Rasmussen acknowledged that "the Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens," but he also noted that it is "a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."

            © Copyright Original Source

            Reminds me of this image:

            socialism.jpg

            So many on the right like to say "those countries aren't socialist!" - but the moment anyone suggests adopting even just a small part of that non-socialist "Nordic model," the right almost instantly starts screaming "...but socialism! Move to Venezuela if you love socialism so much you pinko commie liberal socialist!" It's getting kind of ridiculous.
            Last edited by CMD; 02-20-2020, 01:07 PM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by CMD View Post
              Reminds me of this image:

              [ATTACH=CONFIG]42916[/ATTACH]

              So many on the right like to say "those countries aren't socialist!" - but the moment anyone suggests adopting even just a small part of that non-socialist "Nordic model," the right almost instantly starts screaming "...but socialism! Move to Venezuela if you love socialism so much you pinko commie liberal socialist!" It's getting kind of ridiculous.
              Well....

              It was a Democrat fanboi who labeled Denmark "Socialist" in this case, and what is typically suggested for adoption (and objected to) is the socialist part of the generally non-socialist "Nordic model".
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              • #37
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Well....

                It was a Democrat fanboi who labeled Denmark "Socialist" in this case, and what is typically suggested for adoption (and objected to) is the socialist part of the generally non-socialist "Nordic model".
                I'm not so sure your average American is willing to make that distinction, and there does seem to be an awful lot of convenient conflating of concepts. I saw a conservative the other day argue that even public police forces are socialism, using the logic that if they're government funded... Fortunately, most wouldn't go that far.
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                  I'm not so sure your average American is willing to make that distinction, and there does seem to be an awful lot of convenient conflating of concepts. I saw a conservative the other day argue that even public police forces are socialism, using the logic that if they're government funded... Fortunately, most wouldn't go that far.
                  Yeah, that's way out there (especially given that socialism is generally on a national level, and police are mostly at the state/local level).
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by CMD View Post
                    Reminds me of this image:

                    [ATTACH=CONFIG]42916[/ATTACH]

                    So many on the right like to say "those countries aren't socialist!" - but the moment anyone suggests adopting even just a small part of that non-socialist "Nordic model," the right almost instantly starts screaming "...but socialism! Move to Venezuela if you love socialism so much you pinko commie liberal socialist!" It's getting kind of ridiculous.
                    Except Sanders has praised Fidel Castro and said that lining up for food is "a good thing" - Seems like he likes more than just "the Nordic model" - He has been an actual socialist/communist his whole life. Right now, he knows he has to get as many votes as possible, so he waters down the rhetoric.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                      I saw a conservative the other day argue that even public police forces are socialism, using the logic that if they're government funded...
                      The US military is perhaps a much better example of a communist organisation within the US, as the members of it are housed by the government, fed by the government, given healthcare by the government, paid by the government, etc.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        The US military is perhaps a much better example of a communist organisation within the US, as the members of it are housed by the government, fed by the government, given healthcare by the government, paid by the government, etc.
                        Don't tell LPOT!!!


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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          The US military is perhaps a much better example of a communist organisation within the US, as the members of it are housed by the government, fed by the government, given healthcare by the government, paid by the government, etc.
                          Which comes with take that the government has far more control over the daily lives of members of the military. Even at that, we live in an off base house, eat at home when I’m not deployed, and have to perform a job, so you don’t even seem to quite understand how the US military works either.
                          Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 02-20-2020, 01:53 PM.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            I dunno. Let's see how Super Tuesday plays out after people have had a chance to criticize him. As has been pointed out, Sanders pretty much has the leftist vote sewn up, while the non-Sanders/Warren voters split the remainder. Bloomberg is mostly a threat to the Buttigieg/Klobuchar campaigns, and taking votes from them may give Sanders the edge he needs to run away with it all.
                            He only has the popular vote "sewn up." Everyone thought he was a lock before Iowa and NH, but so far, he's not leading with the delegates. As we all know, the popular vote and polls mean nothing in the end.
                            Last edited by seanD; 02-20-2020, 02:21 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              He only has the popular vote "sewn up." Everyone thought he was a lock before Iowa and NH, but so far, he's not leading with the delegates. As we all know, the popular vote and polls mean nothing in the end.
                              Try re-reading what I wrote, and responding to that.

                              The popular vote and polls aren't irrelevant. The DNC's superdelegates can massively sway the outcome, but there's got to be something else to work with for a candidate to get the nomination.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                                I don't know if anything exemplifies our modern age of sound bite politics more than Trump tweeting about how Bloomberg was racist for his stop and frisk policies; despite the fact that he himself campaigned in 2016 to expand stop and frisk beyond New York City. His tweet still remains effective because the factual basis is beside the point.
                                If the Democrats and the MSM keep saying that orangeman bad because of hte stop and frisk then they shoudl stop being hypocrits and call bloomberg bad as well but you know they won't becuase htey arew hyporcrites and refuse to call there own out.

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