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  • #46
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Try re-reading what I wrote, and responding to that.

    The popular vote and polls aren't irrelevant. The DNC's superdelegates can massively sway the outcome, but there's got to be something else to work with for a candidate to get the nomination.
    I read your posts fine. It's the way you convey your points in your posts that gets ambiguous. I've told you that before. If you weren't talking about popular vote then what exactly is "something else to work with?" And polls are irrelevant, as we've seen multiple times from the past. In fact, Biden was leading in the national polls before Iowa. They're irrelevant, and one could even argue, misleading.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by seanD View Post
      I read your posts fine. It's the way you convey your points in your posts that gets ambiguous. I've told you that before.
      It's not my fault that you somehow managed to construe "leftist vote" as "popular vote" and ran with that.
      If you weren't talking about popular vote then what exactly is "something else to work with?"
      I WAS talking about the popular vote there, because I was responding to your post - which brought it up. What I mean is that the Democrats' nomination process includes delegates (which more or less correspond to the popular vote, though they're not synonymous) and superdelegates (which are wholly independent of the popular vote). There are insufficient superdelegate votes to give someone the nomination without at least some popular vote (read: delegate) support; thus, the populare vote is NOT irrelevant.
      And polls are irrelevant, as we've seen multiple times from the past. In fact, Biden was leading in the national polls before Iowa. They're irrelevant, and one could even argue, misleading.
      No, polls aren't irrelevant, or nobody would bother doing them. They're not a valuable predictor this far out, but they can be used to sway peoples' minds (and are quite often set up to do so).
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      • #48
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        Um, wouldn't a majority of the delegates necessarily cross the 50% threshold? You're also not really addressing what I said; Bloomberg is unlikely to peel off many Sanders voters, so unless he surges well past Buttigieg and Klochubar, he's only kneecapping their chances to take Sanders down.
        You, you can win the majority without it being 50%; for instance, he could win 40%, two candidates could win 20%, and two more could win 10%. He needs a plurality to win the nomination outright. The fact that it's another candidate for people to vote for who might otherwise vote for Bernie could disrupt things just enough to keep him from going past 50%. Then, of course, there's the super delegate problem for him to overcome which Bernie's campaign has admitted they don't have a strategy for.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


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        • #49
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          You, you can win the majority without it being 50%; for instance, he could win 40%, two candidates could win 20%, and two more could win 10%. He needs a plurality to win the nomination outright. The fact that it's another candidate for people to vote for who might otherwise vote for Bernie could disrupt things just enough to keep him from going past 50%. Then, of course, there's the super delegate problem for him to overcome which Bernie's campaign has admitted they don't have a strategy for.
          40% is not a majority; it's merely more than anyone else gets in your scenario.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            It's not my fault that you somehow managed to construe "leftist vote" as "popular vote" and ran with that.

            I WAS talking about the popular vote there, because I was responding to your post - which brought it up. What I mean is that the Democrats' nomination process includes delegates (which more or less correspond to the popular vote, though they're not synonymous) and superdelegates (which are wholly independent of the popular vote). There are insufficient superdelegate votes to give someone the nomination without at least some popular vote (read: delegate) support; thus, the populare vote is NOT irrelevant.

            No, polls aren't irrelevant, or nobody would bother doing them. They're not a valuable predictor this far out, but they can be used to sway peoples' minds (and are quite often set up to do so).

            I brought up the popular vote because you previously said:

            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            As has been pointed out, Sanders pretty much has the leftist vote sewn up,
            He doesn't have the delegate vote "sewn up," so what "leftist vote" were you referring to if not the popular vote?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              Denmarkbegs to differ with you.
              Source: IBD

              While speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, the center-right Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said he was aware "that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism."

              "Therefore," he said, "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

              Rasmussen acknowledged that "the Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens," but he also noted that it is "a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."

              © Copyright Original Source

              Rasmussen isn't disagreeing with me OBP, he's disagreeing with you et al who think Sanders is a socialist because he points to Denmark as an example of democratic socialism. E. Warren has much the same perspective as Sanders, though she calls herself a capitalist. Democratic socialism ala Sanders/Warren is no less a market based economy than is Denmark. Rasmussen's remarks are pointed at you, not at me.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                40% is not a majority; it's merely more than anyone else gets in your scenario.
                Um, "more than anyone else" is the definition of majority.

                "The group or political party having the greater number of votes."
                https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority
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                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  Um, "more than anyone else" is the definition of majority.

                  "The group or political party having the greater number of votes."
                  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority
                  That could also be a plurality -- where someone has the majority of something but not 50% +1 of it (a true majority).

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    You, you can win the majority without it being 50%; for instance, he could win 40%, two candidates could win 20%, and two more could win 10%. He needs a plurality to win the nomination outright. The fact that it's another candidate for people to vote for who might otherwise vote for Bernie could disrupt things just enough to keep him from going past 50%. Then, of course, there's the super delegate problem for him to overcome which Bernie's campaign has admitted they don't have a strategy for.
                    Please (re)acquaint yourself with the definitions of "majority" and "plurality."

                    (This is a pedantic pet peeve of mine.)
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                      Please (re)acquaint yourself with the definitions of "majority" and "plurality."

                      (This is a pedantic pet peeve of mine.)
                      I seem to have gotten my terminology reversed.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post
                        I brought up the popular vote because you previously said:

                        He doesn't have the delegate vote "sewn up," so what "leftist vote" were you referring to if not the popular vote?
                        You are aware that there are, broadly, leftist and moderate wings of the Democrat party? If you're this ignorant on the state of things, perhaps you should consider not opining on them.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          You are aware that there are, broadly, leftist and moderate wings of the Democrat party? If you're this ignorant on the state of things, perhaps you should consider not opining on them.
                          Yes, I am, which makes your initial point even less relevant.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by seanD View Post
                            Yes, I am, which makes your initial point even less relevant.
                            No, it makes your apparent inability to follow my argument even more obvious. For some unfathomable reason, you read "leftist" as "popular" and ran with that, and are now doubling down on attempting to somehow make this MY fault. You goofed. Why not admit it and move on? You're not as stupid as your inane quest to redirect blame makes you look.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              No, it makes your apparent inability to follow my argument even more obvious. For some unfathomable reason, you read "leftist" as "popular" and ran with that, and are now doubling down on attempting to somehow make this MY fault. You goofed. Why not admit it and move on? You're not as stupid as your inane quest to redirect blame makes you look.
                              Maybe you should instead not be so ambiguous in your posts, like I said. "Leftist" means democrats in my book. "Progressives" is distinct and means not moderate.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by seanD View Post
                                Maybe you should instead not be so ambiguous in your posts, like I said. "Leftist" means democrats in my book. "Progressives" is distinct and means not moderate.
                                Now you're making up definitions!

                                Quit digging, champ.
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