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    Trump is most likely in debt to Russian banks, and he is sensitive to the fact that his 2016 election was a gift from Vlad. This is how his deep insecurity plays out. It is most definitely not in the country’s interest that this farce continues.
    But the president chose Maguire. And, like most of these good men and women, he came in with the intent to do his very best, to follow the rules, to follow the law and to follow what was morally right. Within a few weeks of taking the assignment, he found himself embroiled in the Ukraine whistleblower case. Joe told the White House that, if asked, he would testify, and he would tell the truth. He did. In short order, he earned the respect of the entire intelligence community. They knew a good man was at the helm. A man they could count on, a man who would back them, a man whose integrity was more important than his future employment.


President Trump on Feb. 19 named Richard Grenell, the U.S. ambassador to Germany, as the next acting director of national intelligence. (Reuters)


    But, of course, in this administration, good men and women don’t last long. Joe was dismissed for doing his job: overseeing the dissemination of intelligence to elected officials who needed that information to do their jobs.


    As Americans, we should be frightened — deeply afraid for the future of the nation. When good men and women can’t speak the truth, when facts are inconvenient, when integrity and character no longer matter, when presidential ego and self-preservation are more important than national security — then there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...74f_story.html

    Unexpectedly, the triumph of evil is being delivered by the “Christian Right”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtfloor View Post
    Trump is most likely in debt to Russian banks, and he is sensitive to the fact that his 2016 election was a gift from Vlad. This is how his deep insecurity plays out. It is most definitely not in the country’s interest that this farce continues.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...74f_story.html

    Unexpectedly, the triumph of evil is being delivered by the “Christian Right”.


    It is becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish between mainstream news and satire sites like The Onion and Babylon Bee. But it's hilarious stuff. Thanks for sharing!

    By the way, McGuire was most likely fired because the President had to learn about this intelligence briefing from Republican congressmen and leaks to the media instead of from the man he had appointed to brief him on information like this. It doesn't matter how "morally good" someone is, you drop the ball like like that, you're out of a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post

    By the way, McGuire was most likely fired because the President had to learn about this intelligence briefing from Republican congressmen and leaks to the media instead of from the man he had appointed to brief him on information like this.
    I doubt that a lot.

    Trump is unable to process the facts about Russian interference and will be disruptive of efforts to deal with it. This is an example of Trump being disruptive, because the subject offends him, not because some protocol was unobserved; of which, there is no evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post


    It is becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish between mainstream news and satire sites like The Onion and Babylon Bee. But it's hilarious stuff. Thanks for sharing!

    By the way, McGuire was most likely fired because the President had to learn about this intelligence briefing from Republican congressmen and leaks to the media instead of from the man he had appointed to brief him on information like this. It doesn't matter how "morally good" someone is, you drop the ball like like that, you're out of a job.
    No, it is more likely that Trump was upset by the fact that this news got out before he had a chance to silence it. Thus he has appointed a Trump lacky who he can control to make sure the Congress and the American people never hear anything that he doesn't want them to hear. You can bet that had Grenell headed National Intelligence, he would have reported the findings to Trump, but you'd never get it. Trump owns the DOJ with A.G. Barr at the head and now he owns the intelligence agencies with Grenell at the head. He's part way there, MM. How's it feel to be complicit with the coup against your country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtfloor View Post
    I doubt that a lot.
    Don't take my word for it, listen to CNN's Jake Tapper.

    "The President was upset that he had to hear about an intelligence conclusion from a Member of the House Republicans rather than from the intelligence community. So he was out of joint with Maguire on that process."

    Also, "What's been articulated in the news is that the intelligence community has concluded that the Russians are trying to help Trump again. But the intelligence doesn't say that."

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketappe...41728493592576
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Don't take my word for it, listen to CNN's Jake Tapper.

    "The President was upset that he had to hear about an intelligence conclusion from a Member of the House Republicans rather than from the intelligence community. So he was out of joint with Maguire on that process."

    Also, "What's been articulated in the news is that the intelligence community has concluded that the Russians are trying to help Trump again. But the intelligence doesn't say that."

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketappe...41728493592576
    That's the spin coming from the White house itself, MM. The White House official said, that the intel only indicated that the Russians had a preference for Trump, not that their intent was to help him win.

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    And the story is continuing to unravel, although I'm frankly shocked that it's CNN pulling on the thread...

    Sending shockwaves through the intelligence community, it was reported yesterday that newly appointed Acting DNI Richard “Ric” Grenell asked the intelligence community, specifically including Shelby Pierson, to produce the underlying intelligence within the briefing she gave to the House Intelligence Committee.

    Well, what do you know…. All of a sudden today, anonymous intelligence officials are reporting to CNN that Ms. Pierson “overstepped” her position, was “misleading” in her briefing, and “mischaracterized” the underlying intelligence. Imagine that.

    Washington (CNN)-The US intelligence community’s top election security official appears to have overstated the intelligence community’s formal assessment of Russian interference in the 2020 election, omitting important nuance during a briefing with lawmakers earlier this month, three national security officials told CNN.

    The official, Shelby Pierson, told lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee that Russia is interfering in the 2020 election with the goal of helping President Donald Trump get reelected.

    […] “The intelligence doesn’t say that,” one senior national security official told CNN. “A more reasonable interpretation of the intelligence is not that they have a preference, it’s a step short of that.

    […] One intelligence official said that Pierson’s characterization of the intelligence was “misleading” and a national security official said Pierson failed to provide the “nuance” needed to accurately convey the US intelligence conclusions.

    The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, where Pierson is a senior official, did not respond to CNN’s request for comment.

    Why would Shelby Pierson and Joseph Maguire intentionally blindside the White House?

    The briefing was obviously spun by HPSCI Chairman Adam Schiff and democrats on the House intel committee; and there was no intelligence presented during the briefing to support the claims made by Pierson, Democrats and media.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-interference/

    Sounds like the President had every reason to give Maguire the boot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    And the story is continuing to unravel, although I'm frankly shocked that it's CNN pulling on the thread...

    Sending shockwaves through the intelligence community, it was reported yesterday that newly appointed Acting DNI Richard “Ric” Grenell asked the intelligence community, specifically including Shelby Pierson, to produce the underlying intelligence within the briefing she gave to the House Intelligence Committee.

    Well, what do you know…. All of a sudden today, anonymous intelligence officials are reporting to CNN that Ms. Pierson “overstepped” her position, was “misleading” in her briefing, and “mischaracterized” the underlying intelligence. Imagine that.

    Washington (CNN)-The US intelligence community’s top election security official appears to have overstated the intelligence community’s formal assessment of Russian interference in the 2020 election, omitting important nuance during a briefing with lawmakers earlier this month, three national security officials told CNN.

    The official, Shelby Pierson, told lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee that Russia is interfering in the 2020 election with the goal of helping President Donald Trump get reelected.

    […] “The intelligence doesn’t say that,” one senior national security official told CNN. “A more reasonable interpretation of the intelligence is not that they have a preference, it’s a step short of that.

    […] One intelligence official said that Pierson’s characterization of the intelligence was “misleading” and a national security official said Pierson failed to provide the “nuance” needed to accurately convey the US intelligence conclusions.

    The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, where Pierson is a senior official, did not respond to CNN’s request for comment.

    Why would Shelby Pierson and Joseph Maguire intentionally blindside the White House?

    The briefing was obviously spun by HPSCI Chairman Adam Schiff and democrats on the House intel committee; and there was no intelligence presented during the briefing to support the claims made by Pierson, Democrats and media.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-interference/

    Sounds like the President had every reason to give Maguire the boot!
    So, all of a sudden you have no problem with anonymous sources, specifically anonymous sources connected to the White House. Ask yourself why they want to remain anonymous, after all they have no fear of backlash from the dictator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    So, all of a sudden you have no problem with anonymous sources, specifically anonymous sources connected to the White House. Ask yourself why they want to remain anonymous, after all they have no fear of backlash from the dictator.
    I'm posting this story because I know that YOU accept anonymous sources, and YOU trust CNN, so what's the problem, Jimmy? Why are you suddenly unwilling to accept them now? You can't retreat to your usual genetic fallacy, can you?
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    Another one of Jimmy's favorite sources has debunked the story. From the New York Times:

    The [intelligence] officials now maintain that the House members either misheard or misinterpreted a key part of the briefing, and that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence [ODNI] did not mean to say that it believes the Russians are currently intervening in the election explicitly to help President Trump.

    Linking to the reputable and trustworthy Breitbart () because the Times article is paywalled.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...esnt-say-that/
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