Sanders: Communism Light...

[rogue06]

But just who wants to carve out the exception? If the women commits murder, then is she also a victim or a murderer?

A society ought not let murderers get off without consequences.

You know sport early on in Trump's presidency he floated the idea of supporting legislation which could lead to prosecuting the women who had abortions. The immediate push back he received from conservatives causing him to quickly drop the idea ought to have answered a lot of your questions.

[simplicio]

You know sport early on in Trump's presidency he floated the idea of supporting legislation which could lead to prosecuting the women who had abortions. The immediate push back he received from conservatives causing him to quickly drop the idea ought to have answered a lot of your questions.

Which brings us back to the question on whether the woman who commits an abortion is a murderer. If abortion is murder, then it makes sense to prosecute the woman.

The real push back came from the pro choice, pro abortion side. Conservatives in the pro life movement were ill prepared.

It is the pro life side which wants to carve out the exception here. If abortion is murder, then we have a class of criminals, murderers, which society has not interest in holding accountable for crimes.

[demi-conservative]

Which brings us back to the question on whether the woman who commits an abortion is a murderer. If abortion is murder, then it makes sense to prosecute the woman.

Yes, Trump was being perfectly logical and consistent here.

It is the pro life side which wants to carve out the exception here. If abortion is murder, then we have a class of criminals, murderers, which society has not interest in holding accountable for crimes.

Yes.

[simplicio]

The fact is that when the government steps in to these areas many people start shirking their own responsibility figuring "that's what I pay taxes for."

Back in August of 2003 a blistering heat wave gripped Europe resulting in 30,000 deaths with nearly half of them in France. Instead of checking in on ill or elderly relatives themselves folks tended to figure that it was the government's job and went on holiday (what we call vacation here). Of course government workers also go on holiday so very few of those who died were ever checked in on resulting in the tragedy.

I guess that's why Christ explicitly told us, as individuals, to take care of the poor and helpless rather than decreeing that we should have the government take over that responsibility for us.

Sounds like you are saying that it is Christians shirk their responsibility if government also steps in!

Yes, Christ explicitly told us, as individuals, to take care of the poor and helpless, and he said we would be judged on that, heaven hangs in the balance.

I wonder how well those things would be taken care of if it was privatized? Charitable works were left to the private sector in this country, before the government picked up the responsibility. Charles Colson wrote a book, Who speaks for God (I left the vowel in, so that snowflakes would not be triggered), and his opening vignette was the response from church leaders after the Reagan administration proposed the private sector pick up the slack. They recoiled at the idea.