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    In many ways Trump and Bernie are speaking the same language - the language of disruption. That a significant portion of the population is tired of business as usual, I think. I'm not asking about the policies of either man, just what you think is happening and whether you think it is for the good.
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    I think that is a fair statement, Obama was riding that wave too with his whole "Yes, we can!" slogan. People seem to be frustrated with the system as it is today.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      In many ways Trump and Bernie are speaking the same language - the language of disruption. That a significant portion of the population is tired of business as usual, I think. I'm not asking about the policies of either man, just what you think is happening and whether you think it is for the good.
      I would put this in the perspective of the economy. If the economy is doing so great, why is Sanders surging? If the left just wants to beat Trump so bad, why not settle for a moderate? Sanders's policy is so radically different than what we have now. Why are folks dissatisfied with it? It's the same question folks were asking about Trump. If Obama's economy was doing to well, why did Trump win and not Hillary (Obama lite)?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
        I think that is a fair statement, Obama was riding that wave too with his whole "Yes, we can!" slogan. People seem to be frustrated with the system as it is today.
        The problem is that the system is so big and corrupt that it's going to take dozens of Trump's and Bernie's getting elected at all levels to really change anything. Obama preached "hope and change" but all he delivered was more of the same, and Sanders seems to be cut from same cloth.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
          I think that is a fair statement, Obama was riding that wave too with his whole "Yes, we can!" slogan. People seem to be frustrated with the system as it is today.
          He campaigned on Hope and Change, which I think is a big reason people voted for him.

          But in his book he made pretty clear what he was actually planning to change was to compromise more with the Republicans than Dems had ever compromised before. Fortunately he was thwarted by a Republican attitude of "if he wants compromise, we won't give it to him", and the emergence of the Tea Party who managed to bully Republicans into refusing to accept everything they'd previously said they wanted when Obama offered it to them in a deal.

          I think Trump and now Bernie are the same product of the electorate wanting change as Obama was. Unlike Obama, I think both Trump and Bernie are actually resulting/going to result in various changes.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
            What [Obama] was actually planning to change was to compromise more with the Republicans than Dems had ever compromised before.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #7
              President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning - but he also left no doubt about who's in charge of these negotiations. "I won," Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.

              https://www.politico.com/story/2009/...p-i-won-017862

              This is what idiots like Starlight call "compromise".
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                In many ways Trump and Bernie are speaking the same language - the language of disruption. That a significant portion of the population is tired of business as usual, I think. I'm not asking about the policies of either man, just what you think is happening and whether you think it is for the good.
                demi pointed this out in 2016. Now things are better, the economy is doing better, Trump has made some good changes so there's a lot less pressure.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seanD View Post
                  I would put this in the perspective of the economy. If the economy is doing so great, why is Sanders surging?
                  It remains to be seen if turnout for Sanders is better than in 2016. Demi doesn't trust the figures, but the moderate vote is being split. For Sanders vs moderates, it's still unclear who's winning.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning - but he also left no doubt about who's in charge of these negotiations. "I won," Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.

                    https://www.politico.com/story/2009/...p-i-won-017862

                    This is what idiots like Starlight call "compromise".
                    Obama made it crystal clear that he did not need to or want to talk to the Republicans. He said it was useless because they were too extreme while simultaneously offering to open up talks with America's bitterest enemies (obviously because they were more reasonable than the Republicans ).

                    About the only time he did talk to them it was to deliver a sneering lecture about how he won and elections have consequences where he haughtily told then House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (when the latter offered to negotiate on the stimulus package):

                    Look at the polls. The polls are pretty good for me right now. Elections have consequences. And Eric, I won.


                    Obama's then Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, in his usual cordial manner, put it another way: "We have the votes. F-word them."

                    Obama and the Democrats in the House and Senate refused to consider a single Republican proposal during the first two years. And after the Republican landslide in 2010 Obama literally had to ask his aides if they knew how to contact the incoming Republican leadership because he never talked to them before.

                    I've noted previously that Bob Woodward documented a lot of this in his book The Price of Politics

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      I don't entirely trust Woodward, but I trust him a thousand times more than Obama, who had every motivation to revise history to make himself look good in his own book.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Obama made it crystal clear that he did not need to or want to talk to the Republicans. He said it was useless because they were too extreme while simultaneously offering to open up talks with America's bitterest enemies (obviously because they were more reasonable than the Republicans ).

                        About the only time he did talk to them it was to deliver a sneering lecture about how he won and elections have consequences where he haughtily told then House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (when the latter offered to negotiate on the stimulus package):

                        Look at the polls. The polls are pretty good for me right now. Elections have consequences. And Eric, I won.


                        Obama's then Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, in his usual cordial manner, put it another way: "We have the votes. F-word them."

                        Obama and the Democrats in the House and Senate refused to consider a single Republican proposal during the first two years. And after the Republican landslide in 2010 Obama literally had to ask his aides if they knew how to contact the incoming Republican leadership because he never talked to them before.

                        I've noted previously that Bob Woodward documented a lot of this in his book The Price of Politics
                        I honestly have no idea where Starlight got the idea that Obama was prepared to compromise with Republicans more than any other Democrat before him.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          In many ways Trump and Bernie are speaking the same language - the language of disruption. That a significant portion of the population is tired of business as usual, I think. I'm not asking about the policies of either man, just what you think is happening and whether you think it is for the good.
                          There's a big difference, Trump is, and always has been, a shapeshifter, a corrupt and lying con man, who's in it for himself, while Sanders has consistently fought for the people and his stated policies of change his entire career.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            I honestly have no idea where Starlight got the idea that Obama was prepared to compromise with Republicans more than any other Democrat before him.
                            An indication, if any were needed, of how indoctrinated you are by fake Breitbart stories.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                              I don't entirely trust Woodward, but I trust him a thousand times more than Obama, who had every motivation to revise history to make himself look good in his own book.
                              Aside from the account about having to ask aides how to contact the Republican leadership after the 2010 landslide everything else has been documented by multiple contemporary sources.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

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                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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