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  • #16
    Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
    An indication, if any were needed, of how indoctrinated you are by fake Breitbart stories.
    Whatever you say, media tourist.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #17
      The only wave Bernie is riding is the one being created by a bunch of young adults who spent their lives being coddled and given everything they wanted. They are most likely still living with their parents and playing on their phones instead of working. They have no idea what paying taxes is like, and they just want more free stuff.

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      • #18
        I think Bernie could actually win. I think there are enough magical thinkers and nanny-state lovers to make it a real possibility.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
          I think Bernie could actually win. I think there are enough magical thinkers and nanny-state lovers to make it a real possibility.
          Not even a CHANCE... unless... there is an economic downturn. This is looking a bit more possible as the year advances. But even still, I think the democratic party as done more damage to itself that offset any chances they may have had -- and this includes the possibility, in fact likelihood, the DNC once again pulls rank and steals the nomination from him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
            I think Bernie could actually win. I think there are enough magical thinkers and nanny-state lovers to make it a real possibility.
            I don't think the number of "magical thinkers" and "nanny-state lovers" actually matters all that much. If he gets the nomination, then you'll have a lot of people vote for him just because he's not Trump, just like how Trump got a lot of votes from people for the accomplishment of not being Hillary.

            People can say that Sanders' extremism could be a turnoff, but how many of his ideas can he actually enact? If the Republicans control either House or Senate, then all of his ideas go out the window. Even if the Democrats take both, I don't think we'll see anything much more extreme than a more moderate Democrat would enact, because the more moderate Senate Democrats would hold back on anything too extreme.

            That was my thought with Trump, that his more crazy-sounding ideas wouldn't get implemented because of the difficulty of getting them past the Senate, even a Republican-controlled one. And it was mostly true! How well did that attempt to repeal the ACA go? Or the wall? Never got past the Senate. He got his travel ban, but even that was accomplished only due to a law already in place so he didn't need to get congress's approval to do it. The biggest accomplishment Trump had was the tax cut, which you could've seen any of the 2016 Republican candidates for president implement if they were elected.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by seanD View Post
              Not even a CHANCE
              https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...250.html#polls
              In about 90% of national polls, when the US public are asked who they would vote for in a Trump-Bernie race, the majority say Bernie.

              The Trump v Bernie polling in the individual swing states shows Bernie would win most swing states (enough to win the Presidency).

              Obviously Trump still has a chance, but from the current data he doesn't look likely to win against Bernie.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...250.html#polls
                In about 90% of national polls, when the US public are asked who they would vote for in a Trump-Bernie race, the majority say Bernie.

                The Trump v Bernie polling in the individual swing states shows Bernie would win most swing states (enough to win the Presidency).

                Obviously Trump still has a chance, but from the current data he doesn't look likely to win against Bernie.
                And polls have been just so accurate.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by seanD View Post
                  And polls have been just so accurate.
                  In general, yes.

                  In 2016, which is usually claimed as "proof" of their inaccuracy, they correctly predicted Hillary would win the popular vote over Trump by a small margin, which was what happened.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...250.html#polls
                    In about 90% of national polls, when the US public are asked who they would vote for in a Trump-Bernie race, the majority say Bernie.

                    The Trump v Bernie polling in the individual swing states shows Bernie would win most swing states (enough to win the Presidency).

                    Obviously Trump still has a chance, but from the current data he doesn't look likely to win against Bernie.
                    The fact is, most Americans know Trump and all his flaws - they really do not know Sanders, what he really believes, what he has said, his policies: the loss of private healthcare, healthcare for illegals, de-facto open borders, confiscatory tax rates across the board, gutting the military, etc... Then we will see...
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post
                      And polls have been just so accurate.
                      Also, it's not even certain that Sanders will get the nomination, and Trump has yet to put his campaign machine into high gear, so any polling at this point is pretty much worthless -- not that it will be worth much more later on.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Also, it's not even certain that Sanders will get the nomination, and Trump has yet to put his campaign machine into high gear, so any polling at this point is pretty much worthless -- not that it will be worth much more later on.
                        Are you kidding, by election day the Trump machine will have painted Sanders as Stalin's illegitimate son.
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by seanD View Post
                          Not even a CHANCE... unless... there is an economic downturn. This is looking a bit more possible as the year advances. But even still, I think the democratic party as done more damage to itself that offset any chances they may have had -- and this includes the possibility, in fact likelihood, the DNC once again pulls rank and steals the nomination from him.
                          With the coronavirus scare, the markets are dropping and people are worried about healthcare.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            With the coronavirus scare, the markets are dropping and people are worried about healthcare.
                            Fed will probably save the day, or Trump will stong-arm the Fed and force them to save the day. DNC will probably shoot themselves in the foot yet again. There are two possible factors that make it less likely. But then again, Trump was elected against all odds, so who knows.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              Fed will probably save the day, or Trump will stong-arm the Fed and force them to save the day. DNC will probably shoot themselves in the foot yet again. There are two possible factors that make it less likely. But then again, Trump was elected against all odds, so who knows.
                              The Fed doesn't control the world markets. This is a world-wide thing. People are afraid to travel, or to buy things from China, and a lot of Chinese factories are shutting down so US Companies that depend on Chinese goods can't get them (think iphones) -- I think Trump putting in those tariffs is probably a good thing now, since it means people have been working around China for a little while now.

                              I hope Sanders doesn't win, but like you said Trump won against all odds, so we can't depend on odds in this case.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                In general, yes.

                                In 2016, which is usually claimed as "proof" of their inaccuracy, they correctly predicted Hillary would win the popular vote over Trump by a small margin, which was what happened.
                                Why do people keep on being so foolish about polls? Maybe one week before the election they become somewhat accurate. Months before that they are all over the place.
                                Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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