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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    I'm aware of how Denmark's economy works, thanks. Still not socialism, democratic or otherwise.
    Yes, it is, it's democratically regulated capitalism, hence "democratic socialism." You're simply arguing over the word. Universal healthcare is socialism, free education is socialism. The U.S. itself has socialist policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    Yes, it is, it's democratically regulated capitalism, hence "democratic socialism."
    You're just trolling us, aren't you? Because what you just said is like saying, "This paper is black, hence it's white."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    You're just trolling us, aren't you? Because what you just said is like saying, "This paper is black, hence it's white."
    I think JimL intended to say "socialism" both times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Yes, it is, it's democratically regulated capitalism, hence "democratic socialism." You're simply arguing over the word. Universal healthcare is socialism, free education is socialism. The U.S. itself has socialist policies.
    We don't have universal healthcare, and free education is not socialism. In a socialist system, the schools would be entirely run by the federal government; our schools are regulated by the federal government, but run at the local level.
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    Bernie stuck his foot in his mouth with the hispanic vote after his praise of Castro..so much for "democratic socialism" - Cuba is outright communism. And Bernie keeps praising them.





    Bernie’s Pro-Castro Remarks Backfire: ‘Sound Of Bernie’s Latino Voter Wave


    Socialist Bernie Sanders, the frontrunner in the race for the Democratic nomination for president, faced widespread backlash late on Sunday night over positive remarks that he made about murderous Cuban communist dictator Fidel Castro.

    Sanders made the disturbing remarks on CBS News’ “60 Minutes” with host Anderson Cooper when Cooper pressed him about positive remarks that he had made about brutal communist regimes in the past.

    “You know? When Fidel Castro came into office, you know what he did?” Sanders said. “He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing? Even though Fidel Castro did it?”

    Sanders’ claim that Castro “came into office” lacks the historical context that Castro was essentially a terrorist who attacked Cuba’s government; he did not win in an election. Sanders’ claim that Castro had a “massive literacy program” is communist propaganda, a point that many critics hit Sanders on in response to his pro-communist remarks.

    Among those who fired back at Sanders were people on the political left — including politicians and people who appear on CNN and MSNBC — as well as Republican senators and conservative political commentators.

    Left-wing CNN commentator Ana Navarro tweeted: “Castro regime’s been in power in Cuba for +60 yrs w/o free elections. They’ve killed, jailed, tortured thousands. They confiscated assets, expelled priests & nuns… And let’s be clear, Cubans weren’t exactly communicating by grunts. Most knew how to read.”

    Navarro added, “I was in 2nd Grade when Sandinistas came to power in Nicaragua. They adopted Cuban education model. The books/curriculum taught ideological indoctrination. Children had to recite communist, revolutionary, anti-American slogans. That’s how communist teach people to read and write.”

    Left-wing MSNBC frequent guest Fernand Amandi tweeted out a series of videos showing Sanders’ repeated praise for communist leaders.

    Amandi tweeted, “Here’s avowed socialist @BernieSanders talking about how President Kennedy made him ‘want to puke’ because JFK stood up to and condemned Fidel Castro’s tyrannical totalitarian regime in Cuba”

    Amandi continued, “Here is @BernieSanders TONIGHT defending Fidel Castro’s murderous totalitarian Communist regime in Cuba. Democrats, nominating this man will absolutely re-elect @realDonaldTrump and end our Constitutional republic.”

    Amandi added, “Here’s a compilation clip of avowed socialist @BernieSanders talking about ‘how impressed he is,’ with Fidel Castro’s murderous, communist totalitarian regime in Cuba”

    Miami Herald reporter David Smiley wrote: “That’s the sound of Bernie’s Latino voter wave crashing on the shores of Miami”

    Former Obama White House staffer Christopher Hale wrote: “Fidel Castro was a dictator and a tyrant. He spent his regime murdering dissidents, imprisoning gay people, separating families from each other, banning the free and open practice of religion, and bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war. He’s not worthy of praise.”

    Statistician Josh Jordan responded: “On the same day that Bernie Sanders welcomed an endorsement from anti-Vaxxer Marianne Williamson, he’s got a 60 Minutes interview where he praises Castro’s indoctrination… I mean ‘literacy program.’ I can’t wait to see how this plays with swing voters come November.”

    Leftist Democrat Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, who is highly political and hates the Second Amendment, responded, “For the record @BernieSanders, Fidel & Raul Castro, their murdering regime, & co-conspirators have never had a redeeming quality, ZERO. They worked on literacy programs in a State that controls everything available for reading, in essence, literacy was a path to indoctrination.”

    “I remember my high school history teacher trying to feed us the literacy achievement line,” Acevedo continued. “My response to him was I would rather be unread than to spend a lifetime reading the communist/socialists propaganda the Cuban government provided.”

    Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), whose father is from Cuba, responded, “It really makes a difference when those you murder at the firing squad can read & write.”

    Political strategist Rory Cooper responded, “Say goodbye to Florida. And prepare to spend money in New Jersey. If he’s the nominee.”

    Democrat Rep. Donna Shalala (FL) tweeted: “I’m hoping that in the future, Senator Sanders will take time to speak to some of my constituents before he decides to sing the praises of a murderous tyrant like Fidel Castro.”

    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) tweeted: “Likely Dem nominee praised the supposed ‘achievements’ Castro regime.
    And he’s wrong about why people didn’t overthrow Castro. It’s not because ‘he educated their kids,gave them health care’ it‘s because his opponents were jailed, murdered or exiled.”

    Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) tweeted: “Shameful ignorance from @SenSanders. The Castro regime has killed & imprisoned dissidents, oppressed its people and propped up murderous dictators like Maduro and Ortega.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Bernie stuck his foot in his mouth with the hispanic vote after his praise of Castro..so much for "democratic socialism" - Cuba is outright communism. And Bernie keeps praising them.





    Bernie’s Pro-Castro Remarks Backfire: ‘Sound Of Bernie’s Latino Voter Wave


    Socialist Bernie Sanders, the frontrunner in the race for the Democratic nomination for president, faced widespread backlash late on Sunday night over positive remarks that he made about murderous Cuban communist dictator Fidel Castro.

    Sanders made the disturbing remarks on CBS News’ “60 Minutes” with host Anderson Cooper when Cooper pressed him about positive remarks that he had made about brutal communist regimes in the past.

    “You know? When Fidel Castro came into office, you know what he did?” Sanders said. “He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing? Even though Fidel Castro did it?”

    Sanders’ claim that Castro “came into office” lacks the historical context that Castro was essentially a terrorist who attacked Cuba’s government; he did not win in an election. Sanders’ claim that Castro had a “massive literacy program” is communist propaganda, a point that many critics hit Sanders on in response to his pro-communist remarks.

    Among those who fired back at Sanders were people on the political left — including politicians and people who appear on CNN and MSNBC — as well as Republican senators and conservative political commentators.

    Left-wing CNN commentator Ana Navarro tweeted: “Castro regime’s been in power in Cuba for +60 yrs w/o free elections. They’ve killed, jailed, tortured thousands. They confiscated assets, expelled priests & nuns… And let’s be clear, Cubans weren’t exactly communicating by grunts. Most knew how to read.”

    Navarro added, “I was in 2nd Grade when Sandinistas came to power in Nicaragua. They adopted Cuban education model. The books/curriculum taught ideological indoctrination. Children had to recite communist, revolutionary, anti-American slogans. That’s how communist teach people to read and write.”

    Left-wing MSNBC frequent guest Fernand Amandi tweeted out a series of videos showing Sanders’ repeated praise for communist leaders.

    Amandi tweeted, “Here’s avowed socialist @BernieSanders talking about how President Kennedy made him ‘want to puke’ because JFK stood up to and condemned Fidel Castro’s tyrannical totalitarian regime in Cuba”

    Amandi continued, “Here is @BernieSanders TONIGHT defending Fidel Castro’s murderous totalitarian Communist regime in Cuba. Democrats, nominating this man will absolutely re-elect @realDonaldTrump and end our Constitutional republic.”

    Amandi added, “Here’s a compilation clip of avowed socialist @BernieSanders talking about ‘how impressed he is,’ with Fidel Castro’s murderous, communist totalitarian regime in Cuba”

    Miami Herald reporter David Smiley wrote: “That’s the sound of Bernie’s Latino voter wave crashing on the shores of Miami”

    Former Obama White House staffer Christopher Hale wrote: “Fidel Castro was a dictator and a tyrant. He spent his regime murdering dissidents, imprisoning gay people, separating families from each other, banning the free and open practice of religion, and bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war. He’s not worthy of praise.”

    Statistician Josh Jordan responded: “On the same day that Bernie Sanders welcomed an endorsement from anti-Vaxxer Marianne Williamson, he’s got a 60 Minutes interview where he praises Castro’s indoctrination… I mean ‘literacy program.’ I can’t wait to see how this plays with swing voters come November.”

    Leftist Democrat Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, who is highly political and hates the Second Amendment, responded, “For the record @BernieSanders, Fidel & Raul Castro, their murdering regime, & co-conspirators have never had a redeeming quality, ZERO. They worked on literacy programs in a State that controls everything available for reading, in essence, literacy was a path to indoctrination.”

    “I remember my high school history teacher trying to feed us the literacy achievement line,” Acevedo continued. “My response to him was I would rather be unread than to spend a lifetime reading the communist/socialists propaganda the Cuban government provided.”

    Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), whose father is from Cuba, responded, “It really makes a difference when those you murder at the firing squad can read & write.”

    Political strategist Rory Cooper responded, “Say goodbye to Florida. And prepare to spend money in New Jersey. If he’s the nominee.”

    Democrat Rep. Donna Shalala (FL) tweeted: “I’m hoping that in the future, Senator Sanders will take time to speak to some of my constituents before he decides to sing the praises of a murderous tyrant like Fidel Castro.”

    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) tweeted: “Likely Dem nominee praised the supposed ‘achievements’ Castro regime.
    And he’s wrong about why people didn’t overthrow Castro. It’s not because ‘he educated their kids,gave them health care’ it‘s because his opponents were jailed, murdered or exiled.”

    Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) tweeted: “Shameful ignorance from @SenSanders. The Castro regime has killed & imprisoned dissidents, oppressed its people and propped up murderous dictators like Maduro and Ortega.”

    Somewhat. A lot of the backlash is from Cuban Americans. They're important for the Florida vote, but not so much elsewhere.
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    Bernie is a Democratic Socialist the same way North Korea is a Democratic Republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Bernie stuck his foot in his mouth with the hispanic vote after his praise of Castro..so much for "democratic socialism" - Cuba is outright communism. And Bernie keeps praising them.

    That is what I said, Bernie is still largely a blank slate. As people get to know him (his policies) the more they will dislike him.


    Florida Dems in uproar after Sanders’ Cuba comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    This is what bugs me about "democratic socialists" - They keep pointing to the Netherlands and saying that is what they want, but then they keep calling it socialism. If what they want is a capitalist "welfare state" then why not call it that instead of "democratic socialism?" Socialism has bad connotations. So why use the term if that is not what they actually want?

    I think they want actual socialism, but they know nobody will go for that, so they water it down, and point to the Netherlands and say that is what they really want, and label is as "socialism" because they want to ease the people into accepting the idea of actual socialism and they get more people onboard. A bit like the old story about boiling a frog by warming up the water a little at a time.
    That's a good point. Sanders is actually a 'social democrat' if you look only at his policy proposals and not his self-labeling. I think he's too rhetorically ossified from his old lefty days in the 60's when he really was a socialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim B. View Post
    That's a good point. Sanders is actually a 'social democrat' if you look only at his policy proposals and not his self-labeling. I think he's too rhetorically ossified from his old lefty days in the 60's when he really was a socialist.
    I think he still is and wants to soften his stance by pretending he just wants a welfare state. That's how it starts. Then when everyone is hooked on government handouts, the government can just take over the market completely.

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