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  • #46
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I think he still is and wants to soften his stance by pretending he just wants a welfare state. That's how it starts. Then when everyone is hooked on government handouts, the government can just take over the market completely.
    And you think that, why? The propaganda getting to you?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      One of the boasts among Sanders' supporters is about his consistency. The views he held 40-50 years ago differ very little from what he holds now.
      Right, his views haven't changed, he was a Democratic socialist then, in other words a capitalist who believes also in government run social policies, and still is one now.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Probably have about as much effect as his support for Venezuela
        Sanders doesn't support Venezuela or Maduro other than in your own uninformed/misinformed mind. He was actually asked about that in the last debate and stated that "anyone who does what Maduro does is a viscious tyrant." "To equate what goes on in Venezuela to what I believe is extremely unfair."

        Canada and Scandanavia are hardly comparable to Venezuela or Cuba and the former, not the latter, is where Sanders beliefs lay.
        Last edited by JimL; 02-25-2020, 05:26 PM.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by JimL View Post
          Is a massive literacy program a bad thing? That's was Sanders point, not that Castro was great, or that pure socialism/communism is great. Sanders can't help it if people are stupid and can't distinguish the difference between praising Castro himself and praising certain policies that were instituted under Castro.
          Him praising Castro's literacy program (which was used to indoctrinate children) is like praising Hitler for his youth programs.

          Literacy wasn't a problem in Cuba before the revolution, Jim.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            We weren't talking about the U.S., OBP, we were talking about Denmark, whether they have socialism intermingled in their otherwise market based economy.
            I was responding to YOUR argument that the US had socialistic aspects, Jim. Pay attention.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by JimL View Post
              And you think that, why? The propaganda getting to you?
              Because that is the way most socialist/communist countries start. They promise free stuff and equality to all workers. Then when everyone is dependent on them for everything, they become totalitarian dictators that rip up their constitutions.

              Bernie has been praising communists his whole life. He even campaigned for the Marxist Socialist Workers Party in the 1980s. They are communists, if you are wondering.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                Bernie has been praising communists his whole life. He even campaigned for the Marxist Socialist Workers Party in the 1980s. They are communists, if you are wondering.
                Well that says it all...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Well that says it all...

                  Even the other democrats are running away from his positions.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    Because that is the way most socialist/communist countries start. They promise free stuff and equality to all workers. Then when everyone is dependent on them for everything, they become totalitarian dictators that rip up their constitutions.

                    Bernie has been praising communists his whole life. He even campaigned for the Marxist Socialist Workers Party in the 1980s. They are communists, if you are wondering.

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                    Fake news. Sanders was never a leader or a member of, and never supported the SWP. Just because he supports certain social policies adopted by socialist regimes doesn't mean he supports the authoritarian regimes that put them in place. Democratic socialism is exactly what it says, it's democratic, not authoritarian. If you want to know how authoritarian socialist/communist countries actually start, pay close attention to what Putin did and what Trump is doing.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      Fake news. Sanders was never a leader or a member of, and never supported the SWP. Just because he supports certain social policies adopted by socialist regimes doesn't mean he supports the authoritarian regimes that put them in place. Democratic socialism is exactly what it says, it's democratic, not authoritarian. If you want to know how authoritarian socialist/communist countries actually start, pay close attention to what Putin did and what Trump is doing.
                      It's not fake news JimL just because it isn't what you want to hear.

                      More evidence he is a commie [although I know you won't bother to read it]:


                      Bernie Sanders in 1972: 'I don't mind people calling me a communist'
                      by Joseph Simonson
                      | February 04, 2020 02:08 PM

                      President Trump's recent jab at Bernie Sanders, calling him "a communist," was meant as an insult. But the 2020 Democratic front-runner and Vermont senator might not have taken it that way.

                      In 1972, Sanders, then a gubernatorial protest candidate for the socialist Liberty Union Party, visited an alternative high school in Rutland, Vermont, to give his campaign pitch. During a question-and-answer session, Sanders, then 31, brushed off accusations of being a left-wing radical.

                      "I don't mind people coming up and calling me a communist," Sanders said.

                      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...me-a-communist


                      and...


                      While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

                      After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”

                      In a 1918 speech in Canton, Ohio, Debs reaffirmed his solidarity with Lenin and Trotsky, despite clear evidence of their violent plunder and treachery.

                      Sanders still hangs a portrait of Debs on the wall in his Senate office.

                      Sanders took several “goodwill” trips not only to the USSR, but also to Cuba and Nicaragua, where the Soviets were trying to expand their influence in our hemisphere.

                      In 1985, he traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government. He called it a “heroic revolution.” Undermining anti-communist US policy, Sanders denounced the Reagan administration’s backing of the Contra rebels in a letter to the Sandinistas.

                      Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals.
                      https://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-b...ard-communist/


                      Bernie can't hide from his past, Jimmy. And you can't just close your eyes and ears and go, "nah nah nah fake news nah nah"


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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        It's not fake news JimL just because it isn't what you want to hear.
                        I can't wait for the TV commercials!
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #57
                          Watching leftists complain about authoritarianism always elicits a good chuckle.
                          I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                          • #58
                            My state has an open Super Tuesday primary. Biden/Sanders are neck and neck in first based on most recent polling. I think it would be worth my while to request a Democratic ballot and vote Biden.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              My state has an open Super Tuesday primary. Biden/Sanders are neck and neck in first based on most recent polling. I think it would be worth my while to request a Democratic ballot and vote Biden.
                              Operation Chaos 2020...
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                "I don't mind people coming up and calling me a communist," Sanders said.
                                I've fact-checked this one before. The context was that he didn't care if people wrongly called him a communist so long as they took some sort of interest in politics. He wasn't admitting to being a communist.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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