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  • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Rogue - the official name of the virus is covid-19 or SARS-Cov-2. That is its name. You are using 'Chicom virus' for ideological reasons, reasons that are scientifically inaccurate. Mistakes have been made by many of the governments that have cost thousands of lives. Your focus on what China did is not objective. Do you suppose Italy is where it is because Italy responded correctly? Or Iran? Or the US? You are singling them out because you don't like them, not because there is any real reason to do so. The Chinese communist government's actions were wrong, but they are not the reason the virus is where it is and the countries of the world are struggling with it as they are. There is no logical reason to focus your attention on them at the expense of others, most notably Trump.
    The official name for the Swine Flu is H1N1, Hong Kong Flu (H1N3), Small Pox (Variola), etc. Wasn’t aware that it was a crime to call a disease by a common name.
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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    • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
      The official name for the Swine Flu is H1N1, Hong Kong Flu (H1N3), Small Pox (Variola), etc. Wasn’t aware that it was a crime to call a disease by a common name.
      Only since the Chicoms instructed people they better not do so and the left (who had been doing so regularly for months) immediately kowtowed and saw an opportunity to weaponize it to hammer Trump

      I'm always still in trouble again

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      • Normally busy roads are dead quiet. MS Teams is keeping us going while we work from home.

        Meanwhile, the situation stateside, is that government is willing to make sacrifices in order to keep America working; the sacrifice being quite a lot of youse yins.

        As they rightly point out; if we just let it rip, it’ll be all over in a month. Cities could set up virus tents for you to walk through as you get off the trains, and buses. Soldiers could be deployed to make sure you don’t run.
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        • A piece in the The Atlantic (hardly a bastion of conservatism or even allowing their side to be presented) for those who keep trying to minimize what the Chicoms did

          Source: China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World


          Beijing is successfully dodging culpability for its role in spreading the coronavirus.

          The evidence of China’s deliberate cover-up of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan is a matter of public record. In suppressing information about the virus, doing little to contain it, and allowing it to spread unchecked in the crucial early days and weeks, the regime imperiled not only its own country and its own citizens but also the more than 100 nations now facing their own potentially devastating outbreaks. More perniciously, the Chinese government censored and detained those brave doctors and whistleblowers who attempted to sound the alarm and warn their fellow citizens when they understood the gravity of what was to come.

          Some American commentators and Democratic politicians are aghast at Donald Trump and Republicans for referring to the pandemic as the “Wuhan virus” and repeatedly pointing to China as the source of the pandemic. In naming the disease COVID-19, the World Health Organization specifically avoided mentioning Wuhan. Yet in de-emphasizing where the epidemic began (something China has been aggressively pushing for), we run the risk of obscuring Beijing’s role in letting the disease spread beyond its borders.

          China has a history of mishandling outbreaks, including SARS in 2002 and 2003. But Chinese leaders’ negligence in December and January—for well over a month after the first outbreak in Wuhan—far surpasses those bungled responses. The end of last year was the time for authorities to act, and, as Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times has noted, “act decisively they did—not against the virus, but against whistle-blowers who were trying to call attention to the public health threat.”

          This is what allowed the virus to spread across the globe. Because the Chinese Communist Party was pretending that there was little to be concerned about, Wuhan was a porous purveyor of the virus. The government only instituted a lockdown in Wuhan on January 23—seven weeks after the virus first appeared. As events in Italy, the United States, Spain, and France have shown, quite a lot can happen in a week, much less seven. By then, mayor Zhou Xianwang admitted that more than 5 million people had already left Wuhan.

          If that weren’t enough, we can plumb recent history for an even more damning account. In a 2019 article, Chinese experts warned it was “highly likely that future SARS- or MERS-like coronavirus outbreaks will originate from bats, and there is an increased probability that this will occur in China.” In a 2007 journal article, infectious-disease specialists published a study arguing that “the presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.” It was ignored.

          The political scientist Andrew Michta has drawn controversy and accusations of racism for stating what any measured overview of the evidence makes clear. “The question about assigning agency and blame is pretty straightforward to answer,” he writes in The American Interest. The Chinese state, he says, is culpable.

          But is this a time for blame? Yes, it is. Accounting for responsibility when a disaster happens—particularly one likely to devastate entire countries, leaving thousands dead—is not beside the point, particularly as Chinese officials move to take advantage of the crisis and launch a disinformation campaign claiming that the U.S. Army introduced the virus.

          Well before the new coronavirus spread across American cities, the Chinese regime was already rather creatively trolling U.S. publications, expelling American journalists, and “weaponizing wokeness” over anything it perceived as critical of China’s role in mishandling the epidemic. To hear Chinese spokespeople use the language of racism and prejudice is somewhat surreal, considering this is a regime that has put more than 1 million Muslims and ethnic minorities in “reeducation” camps.

          Of course, Americans will have to be vigilant against scapegoating Asians in general or the Chinese people in particular. With one of the highest infection rates and death tolls, Chinese citizens have suffered enough. The Chinese leadership, however, is another matter. A government is not a race. It’s a regime—and easily one of the worst and most brutal in our lifetime. Criticizing authoritarian regimes for what they do outside their own borders and to their own people is simply calling things as they are. To do otherwise is to forgo analysis and accuracy in the name of assuaging a regime that deserves no such consideration.

          Those American critics who raise the racism canard are themselves inadvertently collapsing the distinctions between an authoritarian regime and those who live under it. Too many also seem comfortable drawing moral equivalencies between the Chinese regime and Donald Trump. This attitude is hard to take seriously. Trump didn’t block the media from reporting on the coronavirus; he did not disappear his critics. The nature of a regime matters. And this is why I, for one, am glad to live in a democracy, however flawed, in this time of unprecedented crisis.

          After the crisis, whenever after is, the relationship with China cannot and should not go back to normal. Nothing, in any case, will go back to normal after the sheer scale of destruction becomes clear. Of course, the rest of the world will have to live with the Chinese leadership as long as it remains in power. But this pandemic should, finally, disabuse us of any remaining hope that the Chinese regime could be a responsible global actor. It is not, and it will not become one.


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          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            A piece in the The Atlantic (hardly a bastion of conservatism or even allowing their side to be presented) for those who keep trying to minimize what the Chicoms did

            The evidence of China’s deliberate cover-up of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan is a matter of public record. In suppressing information about the virus, doing little to contain it, and allowing it to spread unchecked in the crucial early days and weeks, the regime imperiled not only its own country and its own citizens but also the more than 100 nations now facing their own potentially devastating outbreaks. More perniciously, the Chinese government censored and detained those brave doctors and whistleblowers who attempted to sound the alarm and warn their fellow citizens when they understood the gravity of what was to come.
            How about an apology from China and they pay the rest of the world reparations?
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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            • Originally posted by seer View Post
              How about an apology from China and they pay the rest of the world reparations?
              They are currently on a public relations campaign providing medical supplies to several countries. Of course history shows that this will come with future demands to support them in their various ventures.

              Kind of like if someone shoves you into a lake and then pulls you out and demands that you to thank them from saving you from drowning.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • Originally posted by seer View Post
                How about an apology from China and they pay the rest of the world reparations?
                Or how about an apology to China for providing the models which do we have?

                How about an apology from the administration for its ineffective response, a response taken after the potential severity became public in China

                How about an apology from the mega churches which held large services if any spread of SARS-CoV-2 can be traced to the gathering?

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                • Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                  Or how about an apology to China for providing the models which do we have?

                  How about an apology from the administration for its ineffective response, a response taken after the potential severity became public in China

                  How about an apology from the mega churches which held large services if any spread of SARS-CoV-2 can be traced to the gathering?
                  And yet another one determined to alleviate China from the responsibility what they did and shift the blame from where it squarely belongs -- complete with one of your trademark swipes at Christians.

                  Or is yet another case of 明显的巨魔是明显的
                  Last edited by rogue06; 03-26-2020, 07:18 AM.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                    Or how about an apology to China for providing the models which do we have?

                    How about an apology from the administration for its ineffective response, a response taken after the potential severity became public in China

                    How about an apology from the mega churches which held large services if any spread of SARS-CoV-2 can be traced to the gathering?
                    China lied to the world, for months about the spread and nature of the outbreak. Going as far as to silence health care workers, destroying samples, and flatly lying to everyone. Is China at least paying you to spread their propaganda or are doing it for free because ‘Orange man bad!!!!’ is your guiding principle?
                    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                    • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                      China lied to the world, for months about the spread and nature of the outbreak. Going as far as to silence health care workers, destroying samples, and flatly lying to everyone. Is China at least paying you to spread their propaganda or are doing it for free because ‘Orange man bad!!!!’ is your guiding principle?
                      Yes they did try to lie, cover up, squelch the free flow of information, going so far as to silence health care professionals. And just how is that different from the US' response? I know, we don't use a camp system.

                      The fact is that we are relying, in part, on models developed by the Chinese. We are following the draconian methods of locking down society and the economy on a scale which is unnecessary in some countries which embarked on a different course.

                      I know you and Rogue cannot contemplate a reality in which people disagree with you based on a reasoned analysis of the evidence without being in the employ of the China Communist Party. That sounds like the line Christians use about da debbil being behind every idea which disagrees with the Christian who can interpret scripture with divine precision.

                      Are you pro life? The communal church services present a quandary, a moral dilemma, for the case of the large gatherings on Sunday. One indirect effect of that worship is people dying. What does "Choose life" mean in that situation of holding church service in the midst of a plague? And if you take the wrong course of action, are you in the employ of Satan, who hates life?

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        And yet another one determined to alleviate China from the responsibility what they did and shift the blame from where it squarely belongs -- complete with one of your trademark swipes at Christians.

                        Or is yet another case of 明显的巨魔是明显的
                        I have stated nothing alleviating or excusing China for their dangerous, immoral, and wrong acts on this. I am however noting that many of the same policies we condemn China for have their parallels in the administration's response. The fact is that we are three or four weeks behind China, so we have a road map of wrong routes, dangerous routes to follow with China's examples.

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                        • Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                          Yes they did try to lie, cover up, squelch the free flow of information, going so far as to silence health care professionals. And just how is that different from the US' response? I know, we don't use a camp system.

                          The fact is that we are relying, in part, on models developed by the Chinese. We are following the draconian methods of locking down society and the economy on a scale which is unnecessary in some countries which embarked on a different course.

                          I know you and Rogue cannot contemplate a reality in which people disagree with you based on a reasoned analysis of the evidence without being in the employ of the China Communist Party. That sounds like the line Christians use about da debbil being behind every idea which disagrees with the Christian who can interpret scripture with divine precision.

                          Are you pro life? The communal church services present a quandary, a moral dilemma, for the case of the large gatherings on Sunday. One indirect effect of that worship is people dying. What does "Choose life" mean in that situation of holding church service in the midst of a plague? And if you take the wrong course of action, are you in the employ of Satan, who hates life?
                          Name 5 US doctors arrested/dying mysteriously, 5 cases of samples being destroyed, or cases of the US lying to the world about a new illness. Maybe you’ll get to that after you’re done attacking your fellow Christians and excusing away China’s lies. Please tell me they are paying you because you’re getting screwed if they are not.
                          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                          • Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                            I have stated nothing alleviating or excusing China for their dangerous, immoral, and wrong acts on this. I am however noting that many of the same policies we condemn China for have their parallels in the administration's response. The fact is that we are three or four weeks behind China, so we have a road map of wrong routes, dangerous routes to follow with China's examples.
                            So you have evidence that the Trump administration arrested doctors, destroyed samples, and lied to the world about the spread of a new illness within our country? I’d like to see your evidence, got any?
                            "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                            • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                              China lied to the world, for months about the spread and nature of the outbreak. Going as far as to silence health care workers, destroying samples, and flatly lying to everyone. Is China at least paying you to spread their propaganda or are doing it for free because ‘Orange man bad!!!!’ is your guiding principle?
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                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                                I have stated nothing alleviating or excusing China for their dangerous, immoral, and wrong acts on this. I am however noting that many of the same policies we condemn China for have their parallels in the administration's response. The fact is that we are three or four weeks behind China, so we have a road map of wrong routes, dangerous routes to follow with China's examples.
                                Your immediate pivoting to try to make mistakes made elsewhere being equivalent to the deliberate acts perpetrated by the Chicoms says it all.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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