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  • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
    Granted, we don’t know the situation in Russia, but in a very few hours, the US will be in first place. Someone needs to remind Trump what he said when you had 15 cases, hand him a pistol, and walk silently out of the room.
    Ummm...more than a little over the top...
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    • Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post
      It’s not excitement, it is dumbfounded, gob-smacking, amazement that, at least in the White House, the penny hasn’t dropped yet.
      And what, exactly, is President Trump supposed to be doing that he isn't already doing, or hasn't already proposed? By all accounts,
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
        MM, your level of juvenile exchange never ceases to amaze me. I'll leave the last word to you. The exchange has long since become pointless.
        You're the one preaching unity, yet you're eager to sow division if you think it can hurt your President. You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. And that's my final word.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          And what, exactly, is President Trump supposed to be doing that he isn't already doing, or hasn't already proposed? By all accounts,
          In a very short time, he’s going to need tens of thousands of respirators, and maybe a million or so volunteers.
          “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
          “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
          “not all there” - you know who you are

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          • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
            Granted, we don’t know the situation in Russia, but in a very few hours, the US will be in first place. Someone needs to remind Trump what he said when you had 15 cases, hand him a pistol, and walk silently out of the room.
            Not even a few hours. The US IS in first place.

            US: 82,547, China 81,285

            Assuming the count from China is not fudged.
            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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            • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
              In a very short time, he’s going to need tens of thousands of respirators, and maybe a million or so volunteers.
              Trump does seem to be trying to do what needs to be done. But he still won't listen to those that know, and as a consequence remains several steps behind what is needed.

              But he is improving. The question is, can he grow up fast enough.
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                Granted, we don’t know the situation in Russia, but in a very few hours, the US will be in first place.
                America is number one again! Trump said he'd make it so, and he has folks.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • USA in the lead now, and that’s just the ones you know about.
                  “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                  “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                  “not all there” - you know who you are

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                  • Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post
                    In a very short time, he’s going to need tens of thousands of respirators, and maybe a million or so volunteers.
                    That doesn't answer the question: what, exactly, is President Trump supposed to be doing that he isn't already doing, or hasn't already proposed?
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      That doesn't answer the question: what, exactly, is President Trump supposed to be doing that he isn't already doing, or hasn't already proposed?
                      A few suggestions:

                      Stop making claims Fauci has to correct.

                      Listen to the actual experts concerning what should be done.

                      Speak Truthfully from the podium to the American people.

                      Stop yielding to big business as it concerns the manufacture and distribution of ventilators and PPE. IOW, Stop allowing capitalism (highest bidder) to determine who gets supplies. Fix the prices at 3 months previous per that company's own price history. They can go lower, but not higher.

                      Require they sell to the areas of highest need in the US FIRST.

                      Mobilize military capacity to distribute said items to the areas that need them.
                      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        Trump does seem to be trying to do what needs to be done. But he still won't listen to those that know, and as a consequence remains several steps behind what is needed.

                        But he is improving. The question is, can he grow up fast enough.
                        The U.S. has more infections than India or China, both of whom have populations that are four times the U.S. population, and our curve (both new cases and deaths) is still exponentially growing. We have 4.3% of the world's population and 15.8% of the world's infections.

                        Meanwhile we have an occupant of the Oval Office talking about "getting people back to work," no action on nationalizing coordination of supplies between states so it remains the "wild west," and a continual stream of disinformation from the oval office. Somehow, I'm not seeing "effective leadership." In fact, the leader that is focusing strongly on testing and providing accurate information to his constituents is Cuomo in NY. I suspect it is their strong focus on testing that is one of the reasons the New York numbers are so high. They are testing 10,000 people per day and testing is a major focus of their control initiatives. Overall U.S. testing rates have been 1/6th those of S. Korea which is seeing a significant flattening of their growth curve. That plus the mixed messaging from the White House is still resulting in people taking this less seriously than they should.

                        Yes, Trump is improving. But I don't think he is ultimately capable of getting past his narcissim and his conspiracy-focused mindset to be as effective as he could be. I wish Kelly were still his chief of staff. He might have been able to counter Trump's worst impulses.
                        Last edited by carpedm9587; 03-26-2020, 06:42 PM.
                        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                        • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                          A few suggestions:

                          Stop making claims Fauci has to correct.

                          Listen to the actual experts concerning what should be done.

                          Speak Truthfully from the podium to the American people.

                          Stop yielding to big business as it concerns the manufacture and distribution of ventilators and PPE. IOW, Stop allowing capitalism (highest bidder) to determine who gets supplies. Fix the prices at 3 months previous per that company's own price history. They can go lower, but not higher.

                          Require they sell to the areas of highest need in the US FIRST.

                          Mobilize military capacity to distribute said items to the areas that need them.
                          Agreed.

                          And I doubt most of that list will happen, unfortunately.

                          ETA: In the bright side, I was pretty sure Fauci would be toast by now, so at least THAT is good news. It's sad when "he didn't fire his best experts" is actually considered a point in Trump's favor.
                          Last edited by carpedm9587; 03-26-2020, 06:45 PM.
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            That doesn't answer the question: what, exactly, is President Trump supposed to be doing that he isn't already doing, or hasn't already proposed?
                            In the UK, Boris said, we will introduce measures when the time comes. He missed a chance to get in front of this thing. Not enough beds, nurses, PPE, ventilators, tests and so on. If your hospitals are not properly equipped, the doctors and nurses go down with the virus too. You need to get into high volume production of all the stuff that the doctors need.

                            Your malaria drugs, by the way, are going to do nothing for you.
                            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                            “not all there” - you know who you are

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                            • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              The U.S. has more infections than India or China, both of whom have populations that are four times the U.S. population, and our curve (both new cases and deaths) is still exponentially growing. We have 4.3% of the world's population and 15.8% of the world's infections.

                              Meanwhile we have an occupant of the Oval Office talking about "getting people back to work," no action on nationalizing coordination of supplies between states so it remains the "wild west," and a continual stream of disinformation from the oval office. Somehow, I'm not seeing "effective leadership." In fact, the leader that is focusing strongly on testing and providing accurate information to his constituents is Cuomo in NY. I suspect it is their strong focus on testing that is one of the reasons the New York numbers are so high. They are testing 10,000 people per day and testing is a major focus of their control initiatives. Overall U.S. testing rates have been 1/6th those of S. Korea which is seeing a significant flattening of their growth curve. That plus the mixed messaging from the White House is still resulting in people taking this less seriously than they should.

                              Yes, Trump is improving. But I don't think he is ultimately capable of getting past his narcissim and his conspiracy-focused mindset to be as effective as he could be. I wish Kelly were still his chief of staff. He might have been able to counter Trump's worst impulses.
                              Coronavirus cases are mostly located in the larger cities, Carp.
                              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                              • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                                Coronavirus cases are mostly located in the larger cities, Carp.
                                Yes, but there are enough cases now in smaller cities and rural areas that each county (I think, couldn't find county stats) is effectively "seeded".

                                We have become the world's leader in number of cases, beating out the Chicoms.

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