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  • The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention botched its first attempt to mass produce a diagnostic test kit, a discovery made only after officials had shipped hundreds of kits to state laboratories.

    A promised replacement took several weeks, and still did not permit state and local laboratories to make final diagnoses. And the C.D.C. essentially ensured that Americans would be tested in very few numbers by imposing stringent and narrow criteria, critics say.

    On Monday, following mounting criticism of the federal response, Trump administration officials promised a rapid expansion of the country’s testing capacities. With the help of private companies and academic centers, as many as a million diagnostic tests could be available by the end of this week, said Dr. Stephen Hahn, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration.

    But many scientists wonder if the moves come too late.

    As of Monday evening, 103 Americans were infected with the coronavirus in the United States. Six deaths have been reported. Dozens of patients, in several states, may have caught the virus in their communities, suggesting that the pathogen already may be circulating locally.

    The case numbers are rising not just because the virus is spreading, but because federal officials have taken steps toward expanded testing. The persistent drumbeat of positive test results has raised critical questions about the government’s initial management of the outbreak.

    Why weren’t more Americans tested sooner? How many may be carrying the virus now?

    Most disturbing of all: Did a failure to provide adequate testing give the coronavirus time to gain a toehold in the United States?

    “Clearly, there have been problems with rolling out the test,” said Dr. Thomas Frieden, former director of the C.D.C. “There are a lot of frustrated doctors and patients and health departments.”

    Still, Dr. Frieden said he thought the situation was improving. Other experts, although supportive of the agency, were mystified that federal officials could have committed so many missteps.

    “The incompetence has really exceeded what anyone would expect with the C.D.C.,” said Dr. Michael Mina, an epidemiologist at Harvard University. “This is not a difficult problem to solve in the world of viruses.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/h...sting-cdc.html
    Trust the CDC!!!!!!

    More layers of bureaucracy at the CDC would have helped matters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    “It’s just a very American approach to say, ‘We’re the U.S., the major U.S. public health lab, and we’re going to not follow the leader,’” Dr. Mina said.

    Last edited by demi-conservative; 03-21-2020, 06:02 PM.
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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    • US known infections have doubled in two days. Now in fourth place, not far behind Spain, and will probably be ahead in a few hours.
      “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
      “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
      “not all there” - you know who you are

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      • Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
        Trust the CDC!!!!!!

        More layers of bureaucracy at the CDC would have helped matters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        Your dysfunctional system was made to be dysfunctional by Trump and his allies: https://forensicnews.net/2020/03/10/...in-the-making/ bureaucracy is not inherently dysfunctional, since, as you agree, it can effectively stop Ebola.

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        • Originally posted by Zara View Post
          Your dysfunctional system was made to be dysfunctional by Trump and his allies: https://forensicnews.net/2020/03/10/...in-the-making/ bureaucracy is not inherently dysfunctional, since, as you agree, it can effectively stop Ebola.
          Stop being moronic. Under Obama the CDC couldn't stop swine flu so thankfully that was mild.
          Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Considering how CNN and lately NBC have been carrying the Chinese government's water what with uncritically repeating their claims and now singing their praises for how they handled it, they are far more likely candidates.
            Do you guys ever get tired of the "MSM boogeyman" narrative?
            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Well Obama did claim in speech in Minneapolis after accepting the Democrat Party's nomination in 2008 that

              "...I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth."


              That actually did happen.
              Yes...it did. A president predicting what might be accomplished in his administration. How novel...
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                I said nothing about your OP, Seer, so your comment is inapplicable. People see the title of the thread first, which is what I was commenting on. And, as you have sort of admitted, and others have previously pointed out, you are not above using titles that serve as click bait.
                Get off your dishonest high horse - all you had to do was to read the OP to put it into context.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by Zara View Post
                  This is dumb. Trump cut the bureaucracy that he needed to deal with a crises like this, because "government bad" people, like him and most of the posters here. Bureaucracy is also in place to stop Trump doing things he shouldn't be doing, coz, he seems to be doing that too.



                  Yeah, we don't want the Republican party to lead, if they've made such leadership impossible because of their ideology (cut everything). If the party had its way with the government, then today there would be people starving in the streets and soon the bodies would be piling up. Most businesses would soon be in ruins. Of course, they are hypocrites and have to save face. Which, we are thankful for. However, the damage has already been done, they are solving a problem they caused in the first place.
                  Actually, Demi has a bit of a point. my item was badly worded. No president should be directing the CDC to make specific decisions, but rather he could have (and I would have) directed the CDC to validate the published protocols and determine if they would result in test kits being produced more quickly. Same with the opening of testing to the state labs.
                  The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                  I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                  • Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                    Stop being moronic. Under Obama the CDC couldn't stop swine flu so thankfully that was mild.
                    Apples and oranges: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/tr...pandemic-spin/ Programmes were implemented to be better prepared, Trump and co. in their hatred for everything Obama destroyed them.

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                    • Originally posted by seer View Post
                      Get off your dishonest high horse - all you had to do was to read the OP to put it into context.
                      And all you had to do was use a title for your thread that was not click bait and an invitation to disagree.

                      It is essentially the same as Rogue's use of "Guido" in naming the NY governor and Trump's use of "Chinese" in naming the virus. None of these things are necessary, and all of the division that resulted from them could have been avoided by simply using the well known name of the virus, using the governor's actual name, and replacing "China" with "Chinese government" in your title.

                      But that wouldn't get anywhere near as many clicks nor trigger anywhere near as much "outraged" discussion. And I suspect, given that I think you are at heart a decent person, that some little part of you knows this.

                      And with that, I think I will cease "feeding the trolls" further. Last word to you.
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        Actually, Demi has a bit of a point. my item was badly worded. No president should be directing the CDC to make specific decisions, but rather he could have (and I would have) directed the CDC to validate the published protocols and determine if they would result in test kits being produced more quickly. Same with the opening of testing to the state labs.
                        Ahh, ok, my mistake. I guess I was responding to something different in his post. I don't think Trump should have directed them, he shouldn't have neutered them and other programmes aimed at epidemic and pandemic planning throughout the government. He shouldn't have lied, constantly either about what the government was doing. And if it wasn't enough, since he knew it was going to be a pandemic early (he later claimed) declared a national health emergency at the very least - Obama did one month into the Flu epidemic.

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                        • Originally posted by Zara View Post
                          That's the one. It appears what doesn't work is cutting key programmes aimed at dealing with a crises like this, on a national and international level: https://forensicnews.net/2020/03/10/...in-the-making/ There was also very little international discussion, why, because Trump has been spitting in the face of his allies for the past three years - no doubt.
                          Have you encountered demi before? He is a fairly well-known troller on this forum. I think you will find discussions with him to be largely fruitless.


                          Actually, that describes most of the discussion on this forum - but we're all shut in and have tons of time to be fruitless. So what the heck!
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • Originally posted by Zara View Post
                            Apples and oranges
                            Nice try, weasel. You were trying to say the CDC was effective before Trump because it stopped Ebola, but you didn't stop to think that it didn't stop swine flu. Now stop being a moron.
                            Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                            • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              Have you encountered demi before? He is a fairly well-known troller on this forum. I think you will find discussions with him to be largely fruitless.
                              Carped, good to see you back. Demi was wondering when you'd come back for the election and continue crying 'we shall see!!!!!!!! '
                              Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                              • Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                                Nice try, weasel. You were trying to say the CDC was effective before Trump because it stopped Ebola, but you didn't stop to think that it didn't stop swine flu. Now stop being a moron.
                                It didn't need to be stopped, because, it turned out to not be that bad. You made that point yourself. This is a completely different level of threat. As you're about to find out. Ebola too was a completely different level of threat.

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