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  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Everyone who is even minimally informed is aware that most countries hard hit by Covid are seriously struggling with regard to the fact they have been significantly under-counting the deaths caused by Covid.

    Yet, here is MM, with his usual links to anti-fact propaganda outlets, claiming the exact opposite.

    Why do you have to be so constantly wrong MM? And not just wrong. Extra, extra stupidly absurdly wrong. Constantly. About pretty much literally everything. To the point where if you claimed the sky was blue it would be pretty safe to assume the exact opposite was true.
    Irony at its finest.
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Everyone who is even minimally informed is aware that most countries hard hit by Covid are seriously struggling with regard to the fact they have been significantly under-counting the deaths caused by Covid.

      Yet, here is MM, with his usual links to anti-fact propaganda outlets, claiming the exact opposite.

      Why do you have to be so constantly wrong MM? And not just wrong. Extra, extra stupidly absurdly wrong. Constantly. About pretty much literally everything. To the point where if you claimed the sky was blue it would be pretty safe to assume the exact opposite was true.
      As usual, MM picks and chooses data and quotes to paint the portrait he wants to paint. Nothing he said is actually false, it just omits the rest of the story. There are always fringe cases, and the examples he sites are such things. Note, however, that he doesn't anywhere mention what percentage of the deaths are of this type - he just tosses out a narrative with no data, thereby raising doubt. The other thing missing from his narrative is the undercount that arises from people who die in their homes or die untested. Currently, AFAIK, no testing is done on these people post-mortem. NYC has estimated that thousands of such deaths are not being counted, and makes that estimate on the basis of significant increases in "found-at-home" deaths.

      This has become the strategy of so many on the right: just throw enough dust in the air to raise questions, and then you can claim that people are lying, falsifying, or paint pretty much any narrative you want.

      When the truth no longer matters - democracies cannot survive.
      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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      • Laura Ingraham interviews pediatrician Dmitri Christakis about the problems of school closures.

        (As with all Fox News videos, the audio plays badly on my system. YMMV.)

        JAMA Pediatrics article by same expert on same topic.

        Related NPR article.
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        Beige Federalist.

        Nationalist Christian.

        "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

        Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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        Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

        Justice for Matthew Perna!

        Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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        • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
          When the truth no longer matters - democracies cannot survive.
          It's hard to know what exactly can be done to fix it.

          A lot of commentators seem to point to Bill Clinton's 1996 Telecommunications Act that removed a lot of the rules that had been in place for the news industry for the previous 60 years. Especially rules that had previously required fairness and lack of partisanship, and rules that had ensured a plurality of voices and prevented the endless mergers that have produced today's few massive conglomerates. The result seems to have been that there are now fewer, but much more partisan, voices, that can subsequently brainwash the public en masse.

          Certainly, I think the problem does lie in the structure of the media, and its use by the rich as a tool to propagandize the masses. Yet, some people were able to identify these issues (e.g. Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent) even before Clinton gave the rich a free hand to brainwash the public as they pleased.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
            Laura Ingraham interviews pediatrician Dmitri Christakis about the problems of school closures.

            (As with all Fox News videos, the audio plays badly on my system. YMMV.)

            JAMA Pediatrics article by same expert on same topic.

            Related NPR article.
            Might have to wait a bit for an answer. I’m still waiting for one of the ‘you want people to die!!!’ Karen’s to explain why we are keeping endless lockdowns going, when the China flu doesn’t affect every population segment the same.
            "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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            • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
              Might have to wait a bit for an answer. I’m still waiting for one of the ‘you want people to die!!!’ Karen’s to explain why we are keeping endless lockdowns going, when the China flu doesn’t affect every population segment the same.
              Well, in regard to the "want people to die" thing, I'm someone who sincerely includes sections of Psa. 109 as *part* of my 1 Tim. 2:1 prayers.
              Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

              Beige Federalist.

              Nationalist Christian.

              "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

              Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

              Proud member of the this space left blank community.

              Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

              Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

              Justice for Matthew Perna!

              Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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              • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                Well, in regard to the "want people to die" thing, I'm someone who sincerely includes sections of Psa. 109 as *part* of my 1 Tim. 2:1 prayers.
                You reject Jesus's teachings?

                Matthew 5:43-44

                You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor' and 'hate your enemy.' But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  You reject Jesus's teachings?

                  Matthew 5:43-44

                  You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor' and 'hate your enemy.' But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
                  I do my best to respond with grace, mercy, and forgiveness toward those whose wrongs are only against me personally. But since the Psalms were the songbook and prayer book for the Early Church, I do not neglect them. Along with praying for God to direct and correct and enlighten even reprobate leaders, I also include imprecatory prayers.

                  I do not consider that to be rejecting Jesus's teachings. If others interpret my practice otherwise, so be it.
                  Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                  Beige Federalist.

                  Nationalist Christian.

                  "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                  Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                  Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                  Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                  Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                  Justice for Matthew Perna!

                  Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    You reject Jesus's teachings?

                    Matthew 5:43-44

                    You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor' and 'hate your enemy.' But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
                    I can't help but be reminded of this whenever an atheist quotes Scripture:

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                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      I can't help but be reminded of this whenever an atheist quotes Scripture
                      Unlike you, I used to actually be a real Christian and am aware of what the Bible teaches.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Unlike you, I used to actually be a real Christian and am aware of what the Bible teaches.
                        ‘Real Christian’ - anyone who agrees with Starlight.
                        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          I can't help but be reminded of this whenever an atheist quotes Scripture:

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                          Oh ye, of little faith...
                          "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                          • Originally posted by Charles View Post
                            Oh ye, of little faith...
                            What happened to the discussion concerning the Coronavirus Outbreak . . .

                            It is still hot in the USA. The highest per capita count in the world except for Ireland.
                            Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-17-2020, 11:14 AM.
                            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                            go with the flow the river knows . . .

                            Frank

                            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                            • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                              What happened to the discussion concerning the Coronavirus Outbreak . . .

                              It is still hot in the USA. The highest per capita count in the world except for Ireland.
                              It is losing focus - which is also happening across the country. Those protecting/arguing for "open now" are winning the argument - and things are opening without much regard for the science, AFAICT. So the rest of us are just waiting for the numbers to start rising again. It seems to me to be more or less inevitable. We now have far more people dead due to this virus than we had American soldiers die in Vietnam, and we are likely to double the Vietnam number, and the collective response of the country is a large yawn coupled with a denial of the basic facts. We're on to the next news story, and "Obamagate" is more interesting.

                              I am truly tired of living here.
                              Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-17-2020, 12:42 PM.
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                It is losing focus - which is also happening across the country. Those protecting/arguing for "open now" are winning the argument - and things are opening without much regard for the science, AFAICT. So the rest of us are just waiting for the numbers to start rising again. It seems to me to be more or less inevitable. We now have far more people dead due to this virus than we had American soldiers die in Vietnam, and we are likely to double the Vietnam number, and the collective response of the country is a large yawn coupled with a denial of the basic facts. We're on to the next news story, and "Obamagate" is more interesting.

                                I am truly tired of living here.
                                You’re not paying attention to the science at all. The science shows unless you’re over the age of 55, your risk of dying or getting serious complications, is low.
                                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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