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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    Fauci is the enemy.

    At this point, I still agree with Tucker that Fauci's main problem is his narrow focus. But it's becoming increasingly clear that his instinct for solving problems is statism. Plus, he's been way too dismissive and resistant toward hydroxychloroquine.

    It's time for Bad Orange Man to recruit some new members for the Task Force -- maybe Dr. David Katz, Dr. John Ioannidis, and Dr. Stephen Smith -- and put them in front of the camera, while Fauci stands back grimacing and rolling his eyes.
    And this kind of thinking is why it is so hard for anyone with experience and knowledge to survive in the Trump administration.

    Tucker Carlson is NOT a doctor or any sort of truly knowledgeable person wrt epidemiology and the pathology of disease or the correct methods for establishing the effectiveness of a medicine to treat a disease and the reasons we have to protocols we do for evaluating drugs the way we do (e.g. so people don't die or suffer permanent damage worse than the disease itself). To let him drive policy wrt Fauci or to ignore Fauci's reluctance to jump on the hydroxychloroquine bandwagon is just ignorance. I mean, hydroxychloroquine might work, but hey a stopped clock is right twice a day too. But you'd never know when w/o a working clock.

    Shooting from the hip is how we got here. Assuming you or Tucker or Trump's 'gut' is going to figure this out, or that anyone with knowledge of the situation that is reluctant to follow Trump's lead is necessarily some political paria is how we got here. Fauci is resitent because of what he knows about science and medicine. Don't play politics with medical knowledge and disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    The manic urge to completely shut down society (an urge primarily on the left) over a virus which may or may not be more potent than the flu, and which may or may not kill hundreds of thousands vs. millions from the economic consequences really makes you wonder the intent behind it all.
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    Interesting editorial:

    ...when it comes to saving lives, it’s always more complicated than the Twitter blue-check masters-of-morality would have us believe. Some variation of ‘every death is one too many’ is the virtuous thing to say, and we’ve heard it a lot lately when it comes to coronavirus, especially when pretty much anyone in the medical field is interviewed on television. Thus, any state-enforced action, no matter how draconian, is deemed justifiable because it could ‘save a life’ from coronavirus. “Could,” because we can’t possibly know for sure how effective, say, not allowing people to get their pets groomed or keep their cleaning appointments with their dentists would be in stopping the spread. Everyone agrees that *something* had to be done, of course. The question is, did that *something* have to go as far as it has gone and continues to go? And why on earth does asking it make one somehow a ‘moral monster’?

    During the aforementioned segment, Carlson played a clip from Dr. Anthony Fauci that gave some, uh, insight on when this current shutdown madness might end: “When it goes down to essentially no new cases, no deaths.” Soooo, when might that be, good doctor? A month from now? Six months from now? He doesn’t know, and neither does anyone else. Is half of America going bankrupt - and all the suffering and deaths that would eventually entail - an acceptable cost to bring the coronavirus case count to zero?

    For some inexplicable reason, we’ve turned over decision-making in this country to healthcare professionals whose single, solitary goal is to save *every* possible life from coronavirus and only coronavirus. In theory and absent all other considerations it’s an admirable goal, but its implementation is far from the “first, do no harm” of the Hippocratic Oath, mainly because of the actual *doing harm* involved in putting the lives of present and future coronavirus victims over everyone else’s.

    https://townhall.com/columnists/scot...-a-mo-n2566393

    I think we can all agree that something must be done, but government thinking seems to be

    Draconian government solutions are "something".
    Therefore, draconian government solutions must be done.

    Will the "cure" ultimately be worse than the disease?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Interesting editorial:

    ...when it comes to saving lives, it’s always more complicated than the Twitter blue-check masters-of-morality would have us believe. Some variation of ‘every death is one too many’ is the virtuous thing to say, and we’ve heard it a lot lately when it comes to coronavirus, especially when pretty much anyone in the medical field is interviewed on television. Thus, any state-enforced action, no matter how draconian, is deemed justifiable because it could ‘save a life’ from coronavirus. “Could,” because we can’t possibly know for sure how effective, say, not allowing people to get their pets groomed or keep their cleaning appointments with their dentists would be in stopping the spread. Everyone agrees that *something* had to be done, of course. The question is, did that *something* have to go as far as it has gone and continues to go? And why on earth does asking it make one somehow a ‘moral monster’?

    During the aforementioned segment, Carlson played a clip from Dr. Anthony Fauci that gave some, uh, insight on when this current shutdown madness might end: “When it goes down to essentially no new cases, no deaths.” Soooo, when might that be, good doctor? A month from now? Six months from now? He doesn’t know, and neither does anyone else. Is half of America going bankrupt - and all the suffering and deaths that would eventually entail - an acceptable cost to bring the coronavirus case count to zero?

    For some inexplicable reason, we’ve turned over decision-making in this country to healthcare professionals whose single, solitary goal is to save *every* possible life from coronavirus and only coronavirus. In theory and absent all other considerations it’s an admirable goal, but its implementation is far from the “first, do no harm” of the Hippocratic Oath, mainly because of the actual *doing harm* involved in putting the lives of present and future coronavirus victims over everyone else’s.

    https://townhall.com/columnists/scot...-a-mo-n2566393

    I think we can all agree that something must be done, but government thinking seems to be

    Draconian government solutions are "something".
    Therefore, draconian government solutions must be done.

    Will the "cure" ultimately be worse than the disease?
    It's GREAT for climate change though! Can't tell you how many news sources I've seen that tout the "silver lining" of this in how it's positively affecting the environment. Correlation is not always causation, but... just another potential incentive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    [...]Will the "cure" ultimately be worse than the disease?
    Since you still question whether corona is worse than the common flu you must think the cure is worse... You must think Trump has gone way too far already...
    Last edited by Charles; 04-06-2020 at 03:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    It's GREAT for climate change though! Can't tell you how many news sources I've seen that tout the "silver lining" of this in how it's positively affecting the environment. Correlation is not always causation, but... just another potential incentive.
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    Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
    Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
    Unite humanity with a living new language.
    Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
    Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
    Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
    Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
    Balance personal rights with social duties.
    Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
    Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    It's GREAT for climate change though! Can't tell you how many news sources I've seen that tout the "silver lining" of this in how it's positively affecting the environment. Correlation is not always causation, but... just another potential incentive.
    The coronavirus has no effect on global warming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    The coronavirus has no effect on global warming.
    Not directly. But with less people driving and for less time, fewer planes flying, that is less co2 in the atmosphere, and that affects the rate of progress for global warming. It also affects air pollution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    The coronavirus has no effect on global warming.
    How do we fight climate change, genius? By reducing vehicle and industrial emission, correct? I'm not a scientist and I just used common sense. Guarantee I could do a google search and find a scientific paper to rebut you, but since you're just an anonymous dude on the internet, I won't bother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    A problem with the PCR test is that it does not test for the virus specifically. It tests for material that seems to be the virus. It is by no means an exact determination. As a result, the statistics rely on messy information. I'm not sure how the COVID-19 test was developed so as to try to discern COVID-19 from other things which may not produce the same illness.

    Did the tiger have a fever?
    Dry cough - but that may just have been the cockatoo it had recently consumed...
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