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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhy this continual prompting from you and your ilk to live in fear? What are you hoping to accomplish?
But I am fast realizing this is the wrong venue to accomplish this. Those here who are part of Trump's base are blindly devoted to him in all respects and those making the argument to hold him accountable are already convinced he needs to be. There is no one here that can be convinced of anything they aren't already convinced of. These arguments are better made in venues where people are still looking for information and willing to look at the data.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe prompting is not to "live in fear." The prompting is to "pay attention to the data"...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhy can't one pay attention to the data with telling people that they should be fearful? Do you have any idea how many people are killed in auto accidents every year, or from falls at home, or die from the common flu on average? Yet nobody is running around whooping and hollering about how "SCARY!" those numbers are. The only reason you guys want to frighten us is because you hope it will reflect negatively on your President. That's pretty messed up thinking, dude.
This was a preventable crises. So, no people had to die at all if it was handled correctly. It wasn't. That of course is the issue, but since your retard leader is a retard lots of preventable deaths will follow in his wake.
Do you have any idea how many people have died from the virus in Lombardy, Italy relative to how many people die in Italy due to car accidents on average per year?
Meanwhile the number of deaths continues to compound by 13% daily, thus, on track for 1 million deaths in a months time and 36 million in two.
You were peddling some rosy predictions earlier - the claim was that this would kill 20,000 people in the US. As it stands, almost 10,000 have died in Italy, relative to a population 1/6 that of the US. In Lombardy, 4,861 people have died for a region with 10 million inhabitants. That is with strict social distancing policies in place. It is by no means the end of the crises there.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostOhh look, the dull little hobgoblin is out again spreading his master's latest talking point.
This was a preventable crises. So, no people had to die at all if it was handled correctly. It wasn't. That of course is the issue, but since your retard leader is a retard lots of preventable deaths will follow in his wake.
Do you have any idea how many people have died from the virus in Lombardy, Italy relative to how many people die in Italy due to car accidents on average per year?
Meanwhile the number of deaths continues to compound by 13% daily, thus, on track for 1 million deaths in a months time and 36 million in two.
You were peddling some rosy predictions earlier - the claim was that this would kill 20,000 people in the US. As it stands, almost 10,000 have died in Italy, relative to a population 1/6 that of the US. In Lombardy, 4,861 people have died for a region with 10 million inhabitants. That is with strict social distancing policies in place. It is by no means the end of the crises there.
Italy has a lot more smokers and more heavy smokers.
Italy is the retirement capital of Europe.
These are important factors to consider. Basing US projections on Italy, is insane."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Zero View PostThis was a preventable crises.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAs it has been explained already:
Italy has a lot more smokers and more heavy smokers.
Italy is the retirement capital of Europe.
These are important factors to consider. Basing US projections on Italy, is insane.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAs it has been explained already:
Italy has a lot more smokers and more heavy smokers.
Italy is the retirement capital of Europe.
These are important factors to consider. Basing US projections on Italy, is insane.Last edited by Zara; 03-27-2020, 11:03 PM.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostI think we both know that such a comparison is not insane, the US has a relatively high rate of smoking, high rates of obesity, high-blood pressure and other comorbidity conditions in excess of Italy's population. Insane is a projection that 20,000 deaths in the US is a likely outcome of this crises."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Those are factors, however, they aren't the only factors. Even if we reduce them by a third, based on the factors you mention, that's still a significant number of deaths. And no where near 20,000. I don't think, given the general health of the US - with the average life expectancy of a male 76 (and declining) compared to 81 in Italy - that you'll fair much better than them.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostThose are factors, however, they aren't the only factors. Even if we reduce them by a third, based on the factors you mention, that's still a significant number of deaths. And no where near 20,000. I don't think, given the general health of the US - with the average life expectancy of a male 76 (and declining) compared to 81 in Italy - that you'll fair much better than them."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI never said anything about 20,000 deaths. I think it will be higher than that, but lower than projections in the millions. Age is the biggest factor in death rates and guess what? Italy is filled with old people. Again, basing projections, on Italy, is insane.
Again, your assumption that you'll be significantly less affected is insane.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostIs it just age or does it also include poor health? If it is the latter then the US is likely to have just as big a problem as Italy.Again, your assumption that you'll be significantly less affected is insane."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAlso, the rest of the European Union abandoned Italy when they were begging for help and left them to fend for themselves."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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