Coronavirus Outbreak...

[Ronson]

Did you feel something strange in your lungs?

A couple of people I recently read about said they had flu like symptoms but could still function and do normal activities. But then they started complaining about something weird happening in their lungs before they died.

Nope. Nothing noticeable with my lungs aside from a persistent dry cough.

[carpedm9587]

I'm actually wondering if there are two strains, one more deadlier than the other. Of course, I know absolutely nothing about this subject, so basically I pulled that out of my behind.

I thought I caught a waft of something funky...

[carpedm9587]

Apparently Italy has a very loose policy regarding cause of death. It seems that if a person had the Chinese virus and died, then that's put on the death certificate as the cause of death regardless of whether or not it was the actual cause.

"On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 percent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 percent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three," [said an adviser to Italy's minister of health, Professor Walter Ricciardi].

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronso...-high-n2565445

Ummm...that's pretty much the whole point, right? Covid-19 is more lethal for people who have pre-existing conditions, especially if they are lung-related. I'm not seeing anything earth-shattering here. If they had pre-morbidities and were managing them, and then caught coronavirus and died, it seems fairly safe to say coronavirus was a contributing factor.

But then again - I'm not a doctor... so

[shunyadragon]

Not sure that stat is correct. As I understand it, 80% don’t need to go to hospital; but they are still sick.

The statistics are here: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

[demi-conservative]

I am 90% certain I've had it and recovered. I couldn't get anyone to test me for it

Would that change anything much if your case wasn't serious?

[demi-conservative]

I'm actually wondering if there are two strains, one more deadlier than the other. Of course, I know absolutely nothing about this subject, so basically I pulled that out of my behind.

This has been reported, yes. It could explain why some areas like Italy seem to be having it more seriously.

Scientists in China claim to have identified two main strains of the coronavirus that is circulating in humans, indicating that the virus is mutating.

Researchers at Peking University’s School of Life Sciences and the Institute Pasteur of Shanghai say the COVID-19 virus, which has since been renamed SARS-CoV2, has evolved into two major lineages, known as “L” and “S” types.

The newer and more aggressive L type strain accounted for about 70 per cent of the analysed cases, the researchers said, while the rest were linked to the older S type version.

The L type strain was found to be prevalent in the early stages of the outbreak in Wuhan, the Chinese city where COVID-19 was first detected late last year.

But its frequency decreased from early January, which the researchers attributed to human intervention.

The S type strain, meanwhile, is continuing to infect new patients, which experts believe could be because it is less severe, meaning people carry it for longer before going to the hospital, increasing the risk of it passing it on.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/co...cent-of-cases/

Please note that this is an unconfirmed hypothesis and treat it as such.

[Tassman]

This is an example of what I mean that the left is grimly determined to try to shift the blame for the Chicom coronavirus onto to Trump while giving the Chinese government a pass.

According to the Washington Post, US intelligence reports from January and February warned about the coming pandemic based upon what happened in China and what was happening in Italy. At the same time Trump was joking at his rallies about the Corona Virus “hoax”, downplaying its severity and assuring his fans it was “totally under control.” It wasn’t. He said that warmer weather makes the virus “miraculously” disappear. It doesn’t. Trump's been feeding false information to the public.

Trump wasted precocious weeks downplaying the likely pandemic when he should have been preparing for it. And now the US is paying the price.

No wonder he feels it necessary to remind everyone of the truth by calling it the Chinese coronavirus.

Standard modus operandi for Trump, blame outsiders for everything and never accept responsibility for anything.

[firstfloor]

I am 90% certain I've had it and recovered. I couldn't get anyone to test me for it, but I had matching symptoms for about 10 days (dry cough and fever mainly and throughout, aches chills and exhaustion for the early days, no appetite and almost no sense of smell or taste).

It was like a flu except for the persistent dry cough and a really annoying throat tickle that kept me awake nights. No shortness of breath, though.

I think there is some interest out there in using blood plasma from survivors to treat severe cases. John Hopkins website has some information.

[rogue06]

I think there is some interest out there in using blood plasma from survivors to treat severe cases. John Hopkins website has some information.

That was one of the things that was brought up in one of the White House briefings last week.

[rogue06]

According to the Washington Post, US intelligence reports from January and February warned about the coming pandemic based upon what happened in China and what was happening in Italy.

Which might well explain why Trump formed a task force to look into it in January causing the left to mock and deride him for doing so

At the same time Trump was joking at his rallies about the Corona Virus “hoax”

Still pushing PRATTS that have been terminally rebutted and beaten into a fine pink mist?

downplaying its severity and assuring his fans it was “totally under control.”

In an attempt to prevent the panic that was sweeping the nation and being stoked by the MSM. The CDC was also telling folks to stop panicking since it only makes things worse. The problem is that telling folks to stop panicking and that everything will be alright almost never works and may even be counterproductive as well (there are numerous psychological studies on this) and yet we continue to do so.

He said that warmer weather makes the virus “miraculously” disappear. It doesn’t. Trump's been feeding false information to the public.

Numerous experts have opined that this might be like a seasonal flu which abates during warmer weather only to return when it gets cold again. The evidence is still out but it is a fact that the Chicom coronavirus has not been anywhere near as severe in the Southern Hemisphere (look at Africa and South America for instance) which was experiencing summer until a few days ago.

Trump wasted precocious weeks downplaying the likely pandemic when he should have been preparing for it. And now the US is paying the price.

Much of that is due to how the Chinese were lying about what was happening leading to everyone being taken by surprise at the severity.

Standard modus operandi for Trump, blame outsiders for everything and never accept responsibility for anything.

Yeah the Chicom coronavirus is all Trump's fault because orange man bad.

[NorrinRadd]

I'm actually wondering if there are two strains, one more deadlier than the other. Of course, I know absolutely nothing about this subject, so basically I pulled that out of my behind.

There are at least two strains -- "s" and "l" -- but I don't know whether one has been established to be worse than the other.

[NorrinRadd]

I am 90% certain I've had it and recovered. I couldn't get anyone to test me for it, but I had matching symptoms for about 10 days (dry cough and fever mainly and throughout, aches chills and exhaustion for the early days, no appetite and almost no sense of smell or taste).

It was like a flu except for the persistent dry cough and a really annoying throat tickle that kept me awake nights. No shortness of breath, though.

I had that. Hit me like Mjolnir on Dec. 28 after being around hacking, sneezing relatives on Christmas. Flattened me pretty totally for most of January and I was still way below normal for most of February. Worst cough ever. Literally scary, since I live alone; there were a few times I briefly couldn't get any air and things went black momentarily. Worst sore throat ever. Achy (It literally felt like my hair hurt. I get that feeling when I'm really sick.) Exhausted and listless. I often slept 16 hours a day. Fevers (low and only for a few days) and chills.

The loss of appetite was particularly notable, since one of my quirks is that I usually get an increased appetite when I have a cold or flu. I lost 10-15 pounds in six weeks.

I still have what feels like irritation to my glottis from the violence of the coughing. (I still have a cough, but I've had an allergy-related dry cough for over 20 years, and it got worse after I started on Lisinopril several months ago -- infamous side-effect.)

Really don't know whether it was Kung Flu or a really bad "regular" flu.

[NorrinRadd]

Another interesting "We're overreacting!" article.

This one is by an actual doctor (but not a specialist in virology or epidemiology). No pretty charts or graphs.

[Mountain Man]

Ummm...that's pretty much the whole point, right? Covid-19 is more lethal for people who have pre-existing conditions, especially if they are lung-related. I'm not seeing anything earth-shattering here. If they had pre-morbidities and were managing them, and then caught coronavirus and died, it seems fairly safe to say coronavirus was a contributing factor.

But then again - I'm not a doctor... so

I think the point is that they don't know if these people would have died from an existing illnesses without contracting the Wuhan flu, or if something else like the common flu, or even a simple cold, would have ended the same. In other words, was it necessarily the China bug that killed them, or was it a pre-existing condition? Apparently Italy's medical records are not precise enough to make that determination.

[carpedm9587]

I think the point is that they don't know if these people would have died from an existing illnesses without contracting the Wuhan flu, or if something else like the common flu, or even a simple cold, would have ended the same. In other words, was it necessarily the China bug that killed them, or was it a pre-existing condition? Apparently Italy's medical records are not precise enough to make that determination.

I think you're splitting hairs unnecessarily. It is common for a new illness to put someone who has pre-existing conditions "over the top." I don't see why it is necessary to try to parse out exactly which illness killed them. Ultimately, in the grand scheme of the numbers, it seems likely that this distinction will likely be nothing more than minor noise in the data.