Coronavirus Outbreak...

[firstfloor]

Longer lockdown only delays the relapse/2nd wave---maybe the better option would be to have social distancing, masks, hand gels and other such measures to contain/manage the spread....?....similar to Korea and Taiwan?

China hit with 2nd wave even after longer lockdown......
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21D1M9

Yes, this is what is being called the new normal. 2m spacing in long queues (up to about 1 hour) to get into supermarkets and other large stores. One way systems, when you eventually get inside. So far, the downslope of the infections curve is much flatter than the upslope. If not full lockdown, restrictions will stay in place for many months ahead, possibly until a vaccine is available. Workplaces will have to reorganise to lower the risk of infection. All is aimed at maintaining capacity in the health services, but I expect that covid19 will remain a leading cause of death for at least a year.

New Zealand says it has stopped community transmission of Covid-19, effectively eliminating the virus.
With new cases in single figures for several days - one on Sunday - Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the virus was "currently" eliminated.
But officials have warned against complacency, saying it does not mean a total end to new coronavirus cases.
The news comes hours before New Zealand moves out of its toughest level of social restrictions.

BBC news

[Starlight]

New Zealand says it has stopped community transmission of Covid-19, effectively eliminating the virus.
With new cases in single figures for several days - one on Sunday - Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the virus was "currently" eliminated.
But officials have warned against complacency, saying it does not mean a total end to new coronavirus cases.
The news comes hours before New Zealand moves out of its toughest level of social restrictions.

Yep. In 4 hours we're freeing up some of the restrictions here, under the belief that all the cases in the country have been identified and isolated.

Although BloombergOpinion's twitter posts today managed to achieve peak fake news with some rather extreme falsehoods.

[MaxVel]

Oh that is just too...amazing...

Yep. We know that correlation always equals causation. And we know that the media choices people make are what determines all of their behaviour.

[oxmixmudd]

Longer lockdown only delays the relapse/2nd wave---maybe the better option would be to have social distancing, masks, hand gels and other such measures to contain/manage the spread....?....similar to Korea and Taiwan?

China hit with 2nd wave even after longer lockdown......
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21D1M9

What should be happening during lockdown is restructuring of how businesses operate as much as possible to allow for the separation of employees and customers during work operations, and the creation of local (in the US) manufacturing capability for PPE that can be worn not just by medical workers but employees in environments where they must work close to other people. We need to be preparing for return to work in a world where COVID-19 exists everywhere, not waiting around for some cure that is perhaps 6 month or two years or never, or pretending we can wait long enough to eliminate it from the US entirely before RTW.

Unfortunately, we just don't seem to have people in charge that know how to rally the entire nation toward a singular goal, that can leverage the fact we are one people, one nation. What we have are people in government that even in the face of death must hold onto their petty prejudices and fight it out to the bitter end.

I am reminded of this TOS episode:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Th...st_Battlefield

[carpedm9587]

Those who think we have reached the peak, or that we are defeating the virus. Think again, as in Trumps motto "we are in control" and do not think, a new high, half of the new infections in the world were in the USA; 48,529 and the world total is 99,968: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

I'm not seeing your numbers in the data.

[carpedm9587]

Yep. We know that correlation always equals causation. And we know that the media choices people make are what determines all of their behaviour.

I wasn't actually affirming the truth of the report. My first post was with the emoji at the very idea of Hannity being lethal...then I thought it might be a little insensitive given the subject matter was actually people dying, so I switched it to the emoji. I was more reacting to the suggestion that watching Hannity is lethal than I was that the study had scientific merit. But it was indeed a badly structured post that left the wrong impression.

Personally, I put Hannity and Limbaugh and their ilk in the same box as Trump: a collection of conspiracy-driven media voices willing to lie and foment anger and polarization to keep an audience. They are the media equivalent of the phony gospel-preacher con man.

[firstfloor]

[Cow Poke]

Yes, obviously, those are the ONLY two options, as evidenced by.... um.....

[carpedm9587]

I am seeing just a slight bend in the linear graph of both U.S. and global infections as well as U.S. and global deaths. Hopefully, it is the beginning of a trend and not just an anomaly.

[Sparko]

I doubt it will make any difference. Folks here won't learn the lesson until they learn it themselves.

And when the second wave inevitably hits, of course it will be someone else's fault...

Unfortunately I think Georgia is gonna be our "lesson" - the governor there is jumping the gun and opening up the worst of the worst businesses that could spread the virus, like hair salons and tatoo parlors, and I hear restaurants. And their numbers are not even going down like the guidelines say they should before opening.

[carpedm9587]

Unfortunately I think Georgia is gonna be our "lesson" - the governor there is jumping the gun and opening up the worst of the worst businesses that could spread the virus, like hair salons and tatoo parlors, and I hear restaurants. And their numbers are not even going down like the guidelines say they should before opening.

I've been watching that situation and concur. Unfortunately, for Mr. Trump and Governor Kemp, the virus does not care about politics or media spin. It will simply follow its programming and the patterns described by any Epidemiology 101 class will likely manifest.

Unfortunately, because this virus has a non-zero mortality, that means some people will needlessly die. It only remains to be seen how many.

[rogue06]

Unfortunately I think Georgia is gonna be our "lesson" - the governor there is jumping the gun and opening up the worst of the worst businesses that could spread the virus, like hair salons and tatoo parlors, and I hear restaurants. And their numbers are not even going down like the guidelines say they should before opening.

[rogue06]

I've been watching that situation and concur. Unfortunately, for Mr. Trump and Governor Kemp, the virus does not care about politics or media spin. It will simply follow its programming and the patterns described by any Epidemiology 101 class will likely manifest.

Unfortunately, because this virus has a non-zero mortality, that means some people will needlessly die. It only remains to be seen how many.

Trump has been very critical of Kemp for going way too far. Sorry if that fouls up your narrative.

[carpedm9587]

Trump has been very critical of Kemp for going way too far. Sorry if that fouls up your narrative.

Actually, that's a good point, and one I had forgotten. Thanks for the correction.

Unfortunately, he's not being so vocal for the other states that are heading down this road, at least not AFAICT.

[little_monkey]

The primary relationship remains the natural bell curve of the virus path in the population. The course of the virus infection in each of the larger country follows the same curve pattern in the order that the infection occured in each country. The natural curve dominates.

I don't know if there is such a thing as a "natural curve" as different countries are implementing different policies. One could get several bumps of different heights and different widths, before the curve tempers down. We are in uncharted territory.