Coronavirus Outbreak...

[carpedm9587]

How many of these alleged occurrences of "Nazi symbolism" are real, and how many are leftist forgeries, like this one near me?

While I am sure there are some doctored photos floating around from all sides, Nor - there are simply too many reports from officials on the scene for them all to be fakes. And the guns are very real. Why would someone seeking to peacefully protest feel a need to arm themselves - a tactic guaranteed to cause fear in the civil servants working at the protest site?

[oxmixmudd]

While I am sure there are some doctored photos floating around from all sides, Nor - there are simply too many reports from officials on the scene for them all to be fakes. And the guns are very real. Why would someone seeking to peacefully protest feel a need to arm themselves - a tactic guaranteed to cause fear in the civil servants working at the protest site?

'peaceful protest while carrying guns' is an oxymoron.

[JimL]

OMG - what an idiot!

I'm afraid that's why Trump chose him as Vice President.

[shunyadragon]

'peaceful protest while carrying guns' is an oxymoron.

Actually an Ox that is a dangerous moron.

[NorrinRadd]

Pence says that the task force "could be disbanded within a month" -- which is logically equivalent to saying that it could not be disbanded within a month -- but you guys are acting like he said it definitely will be.

See, this is a textbook example of that bias you guys are blind to that I keep warning you about.

More importantly, they're not saying they will then ignore the Wu-WHO Flu, just that different aspects of the pandemic will be addressed by various existing agencies.

[NorrinRadd]

'peaceful protest while carrying guns' is an oxymoron.

Only in the minds of regular morons.

As long as they're not pointing them, or especially firing them, it's still peaceful.

One big point of the protests is that Constitutionally protected rights are being infringed. Acting in a way that demonstrates Second Amendment protections as well as First Amendment protections is fine and good.

[carpedm9587]

No - it's a play into what Trump wants to be true. Given that many states are still growing their daily case count and have not yet reached their peak, given that the expectation is there will be a resurgence, given we are nowhere near establishing sufficient testing and tracing infrastructure - especially since states are jumping the gun on reopening - ANY discussion of disbanding the task force is idiotic.

And it's more of an example of the bad messaging coming from the administration - in the face of a pandemic that still does not show significant signs of abating. Today's deaths are back over 2,000 at 2,350. New cases are still at 24,798. Our deaths now represent over 1/3 of the world's deaths each day. We are now 13th in deaths per million pop and still climbing on that list. We are 14th on the list of deaths per million pop. We are 41st on the list of tests per million pop. With the premature easing of isolation, we can expect that all of these numbers will get worse.

These are the reasons why Pence's comment today was ridiculous on its face.

[oxmixmudd]

Only in the minds of regular morons.

As long as they're not pointing them, or especially firing them, it's still peaceful.

One big point of the protests is that Constitutionally protected rights are being infringed. Acting in a way that demonstrates Second Amendment protections as well as First Amendment protections is fine and good.

sorry NR. Walking up to a capitol to protest 'stay at home' toting guns is NOT a peaceful protest. It is an abuse of the 2nd amendment in an attempt to intimidate and manipulate. Absolute foolishness. Someone will eventually fire one and a lot of people will get injured or killed. It's begging for a disaster. And it escalates into events like this:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/mi...rnd/index.html

[carpedm9587]

More importantly, they're not saying they will then ignore the Wu-WHO Flu, just that different aspects of the pandemic will be addressed by various existing agencies.

Actually - you raise a good point. The federal effort has been so useless and ineffective, perhaps dissolving this "task force" would be in all our best interests. The states would definitely realize that federal support is not forthcoming, and perhaps the governors would then use their "governor's only" meetings to create a more effective inter-state task force.

Perhaps that is not a bad idea...given the (poor) quality of leadership we have at the federal level.

ETA: A case in point... what a complete idiot...

[shunyadragon]

Based on the data at:https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...WE+GBR+ESP+CHN This link shows my added countries to the graphs. If this one does not work us this: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus?country

Most countries are in the recovery portion of COVID 19 infection curve. Some countries like Russia that were infected late are still rising in the number of confirmed cases. I have watch the USA, but it appears we are over the second hump and continuing to decline.

We can follow the guidelines, and reduce the infections and deaths among the elderly and vulnerable, but the COVID 19 deterines the over all curve and it is predicable base on comparing different countries and regions of the world, by the factors previously described and noted in the reference provided.

[Mountain Man]

ANY discussion of disbanding the task force is idiotic.

No it's not.

[Mountain Man]

More importantly, they're not saying they will then ignore the Wu-WHO Flu, just that different aspects of the pandemic will be addressed by various existing agencies.

Yep... they're acting like the US will suddenly be unable to manage without a "task force" at the top of the political food chain. It's a stupid criticism.

[Mountain Man]

sorry NR. Walking up to a capitol to protest 'stay at home' toting guns is NOT a peaceful protest. It is an abuse of the 2nd amendment in an attempt to intimidate and manipulate. Absolute foolishness. Someone will eventually fire one and a lot of people will get injured or killed. It's begging for a disaster. And it escalates into events like this:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/mi...rnd/index.html

Saying that carrying guns during a peaceful protest is "an abuse of the 2nd amendment" is like claiming that the peaceful protest itself is an abuse of the 1st amendment.

I also don't see the relevance of your linked article since it has nothing to do with anybody attending a peaceful protest.

[carpedm9587]

sorry NR. Walking up to a capitol to protest 'stay at home' toting guns is NOT a peaceful protest. It is an abuse of the 2nd amendment in an attempt to intimidate and manipulate. Absolute foolishness. Someone will eventually fire one and a lot of people will get injured or killed. It's begging for a disaster. And it escalates into events like this:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/mi...rnd/index.html

I'm sure the people who shot the security guard were some of those violent liberals we've been hearing about...

[oxmixmudd]

Saying that carrying guns during a peaceful protest is "an abuse of the 2nd amendment" is like claiming that the peaceful protest itself is an abuse of the 1st amendment.

I also don't see the relevance of your linked article since it has nothing to do with anybody attending a peaceful protest.

To point out the obvious - shooting the guard was also a 'protest' against being required to wear a mask. Just a much more aggressive one.