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    Sanders' Paradise: Cuba

    This is the country Sanders has been praising... Take the time to watch the video (14 min)



    Everything You Think You Know About Cuba Is A Lie
    Here is the side of socialist Cuba we saw that the American media refuses to show you: Bread lines, gas lines, food shortages, crumbling infrastructure, crippling poverty, and an oppressed people.

    ...Do a quick social media search for “Cuba.” You will see some beautiful images, of men in suits smoking cigars and driving vintage cars, turn-of-the-century brightly colored Spanish architecture buildings, paparazzi snaps of Jay-Z and Beyonce walking the streets of Havana, and pictures of President Obama inexplicably and peacefully enjoying a baseball game with communist dictator Raúl Castro.

    We found these images spin a carefully crafted narrative. They are intended to deceive us and hide the real Cuba. Here is the side of Cuba we saw that the American media refuses to show you: Bread lines, gas lines, food shortages, crumbling infrastructure, crippling poverty, and an oppressed people suffering under the jackboot of socialism.

    What many do not realize is that 90 percent of the Cuban economy is controlled by their government. Resource scarcity, poverty, horrific living conditions, and oppressive government plague this once beautiful nation.

    Citizens rush the open gates of an open grocery store only to find that there are no fresh fruits, meats, nor vegetables in stock. Food is rationed and provided to establishments by the government. Cuban citizens are unable to access the necessities they need to feed their families.

    Furthermore, government-provided housing is less than ideal. Socialism has so diminished the standard of living that crumbling infrastructure and filthy living conditions are commonplace. Citizens live in what were once beautiful mansions that have fallen into complete desolation because there are no private funds to maintain them. For many, this is a haunting illustration of the prosperity of a Cuba long gone, destroyed in a single generation by communism and socialism.

    Despite its obvious failures in countries like Cuba, Americans still contemplate adopting socialist policies. This ideology has been especially well-received by the youth and millennial generations. But this begs the question: Why? Why do Americans idealize this form of government?

    Most millennials have no concept of what socialism actually looks like when applied to an active governmental structure. This is largely because many of them were not even alive during, or even in the aftermath of, the tyrannical rules of 20th-century socialist leaders like Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. The American millennial’s lack of understanding creates no repulsion to Marxist constructs like “free health care, housing, education” because they have never witnessed the consequences that historically follow these ideas.

    However, young socialism activists fail to realize the fatal problem associated with these governmentally regulated freedoms: quality control. Following the basic concept of supply and demand, it can be predicted that the quality of free government handouts will begin to crumble as the demand increases. The more free handouts the government gives, the poorer they will be in quality. Citizens will notoriously cover the cost of these “free” handouts with taxpayer dollars. Thus, making what was once considered free a burden to the people.

    Such is the case in socialist Cuba. Citizens live in the ruin of a promised utopia and lack the basic “free” necessities the government agreed to provide. The very government handouts that offered such promise are what holds the society back from growth and prosperity.

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    Shh! You're not supposed to raise stuff like this until he's nominated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Shh! You're not supposed to raise stuff like this until he's nominated!
    I am getting a jump on things.

    Apparently not only is waiting in line for food a good thing, so is waiting in line for gasoline and living in crumbling buildings in a post apocalyptic wasteland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    This is the country Sanders has been praising... Take the time to watch the video (14 min)



    Everything You Think You Know About Cuba Is A Lie
    Here is the side of socialist Cuba we saw that the American media refuses to show you: Bread lines, gas lines, food shortages, crumbling infrastructure, crippling poverty, and an oppressed people.

    ...Do a quick social media search for “Cuba.” You will see some beautiful images, of men in suits smoking cigars and driving vintage cars, turn-of-the-century brightly colored Spanish architecture buildings, paparazzi snaps of Jay-Z and Beyonce walking the streets of Havana, and pictures of President Obama inexplicably and peacefully enjoying a baseball game with communist dictator Raúl Castro.

    We found these images spin a carefully crafted narrative. They are intended to deceive us and hide the real Cuba. Here is the side of Cuba we saw that the American media refuses to show you: Bread lines, gas lines, food shortages, crumbling infrastructure, crippling poverty, and an oppressed people suffering under the jackboot of socialism.

    What many do not realize is that 90 percent of the Cuban economy is controlled by their government. Resource scarcity, poverty, horrific living conditions, and oppressive government plague this once beautiful nation.

    Citizens rush the open gates of an open grocery store only to find that there are no fresh fruits, meats, nor vegetables in stock. Food is rationed and provided to establishments by the government. Cuban citizens are unable to access the necessities they need to feed their families.

    Furthermore, government-provided housing is less than ideal. Socialism has so diminished the standard of living that crumbling infrastructure and filthy living conditions are commonplace. Citizens live in what were once beautiful mansions that have fallen into complete desolation because there are no private funds to maintain them. For many, this is a haunting illustration of the prosperity of a Cuba long gone, destroyed in a single generation by communism and socialism.

    Despite its obvious failures in countries like Cuba, Americans still contemplate adopting socialist policies. This ideology has been especially well-received by the youth and millennial generations. But this begs the question: Why? Why do Americans idealize this form of government?

    Most millennials have no concept of what socialism actually looks like when applied to an active governmental structure. This is largely because many of them were not even alive during, or even in the aftermath of, the tyrannical rules of 20th-century socialist leaders like Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. The American millennial’s lack of understanding creates no repulsion to Marxist constructs like “free health care, housing, education” because they have never witnessed the consequences that historically follow these ideas.

    However, young socialism activists fail to realize the fatal problem associated with these governmentally regulated freedoms: quality control. Following the basic concept of supply and demand, it can be predicted that the quality of free government handouts will begin to crumble as the demand increases. The more free handouts the government gives, the poorer they will be in quality. Citizens will notoriously cover the cost of these “free” handouts with taxpayer dollars. Thus, making what was once considered free a burden to the people.

    Such is the case in socialist Cuba. Citizens live in the ruin of a promised utopia and lack the basic “free” necessities the government agreed to provide. The very government handouts that offered such promise are what holds the society back from growth and prosperity.
    Does it have to be one or the other? Why can’t it be mixed?

    Isn’t it a little hard to accurately assess the effects of socialism in Cuba since they seem to have been blockaded the whole time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Does it have to be one or the other? Why can’t it be mixed?
    no. You can't mix communism with capitalism. They are polar opposites.

    Isn’t it a little hard to accurately assess the effects of socialism in Cuba since they seem to have been blockaded the whole time.
    They live on a tropical island and they don't have fresh fruit in their grocery stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    no. You can't mix communism with capitalism. They are polar opposites.



    They live on a tropical island and they don't have fresh fruit in their grocery stores.
    Socialism with capitalism?

    If the blockade wasn’t there would there be anything stopping Cuba from producing products on a larger scale and trading internationally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Socialism with capitalism?

    If the blockade wasn’t there would there be anything stopping Cuba from producing products on a larger scale and trading internationally?
    There is nothing stopping them from producing products right now. Why can't they even grow fruit for their people?

    Did you bother to watch the video? Please do.

    And socialism is just the stepping stone to communism.

    Bernie spent 40 years praising communists and dictators like Castro, and now he just wants what scandinavia has (which isnt even socialism)? Go on, pull the other one.

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    I watched the video with an open mind, and it's not very compelling. The creators keep repeating how everything you've ever seen about Cuba is a lie, but they have a conservative bias, boldly wearing shirts and hats in Cuba with American flags and logos that read 'Big Gov Sucks,' and tell viewers at 30 seconds into the video that their purpose for going is to explain why 'socialism sucks.' The major issues they mention like lack of food and gas are often blamed on the US embargo. They point their cameras away from maintained properties to ruined buildings, and rough cement playgrounds, and act as if you couldn't find the same in every major city in America. And the two interviews they do with locals are short two sentences long. They get freaked out by a knock on their door a couple days into filming and leave. And. That's it. All of this is filtered through scary backing music, and the intensity of a host named Benny Johnson. According to Wikipedia Benny Johns writes for a number of conservative online news magazines, and has been fired twice for plagiarism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_...n_(journalist).

    I'm not saying that Cuba isn't a crummy place to live, and I think a longer documentary by people with a less biased approach could make the case for why it's so terrible, but I don't think this video is going to win over anyone who hasn't already been won over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Sander's Paradise: Cuba
    This is the country Sanders has been praising...
    To the best of my knowledge Sanders has never called Cuba a paradise.
    To the best of my knowledge Sanders never said the country of Cuba was great, nor has he given it any kind of unconditional praise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    If the blockade wasn’t there would there be anything stopping Cuba from producing products on a larger scale and trading internationally?
    It's kinda sad that people in the US are so genuinely terrified of seeing a communist country succeed that they'll go to any lengths to make it fail. Invade it, blockade it, embargo it, fund terrorists against it etc.

    And then they pretend communism was the reason the country did badly, rather than immoral actions of their own capitalist nation.

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