Don't Test, Don't Tell

[Watermelon]

That helps, but not enough.

There are two extremes for responses. The first is DTDT, like Japan. The second is to go full blown quarantine lockdown like China and Italy. It's a fantastic opportunity to see how and why different governments react differently to the coronavirus challenge, to compare different political and social systems.

Then there’s South Korea - no lockdown and test everyone.

[demi-conservative]

You should be ashamed of yourself. Saying that, thinking that, can and likely will have deadly consequences to others, possibly to yourself.

That facts clearly show otherwise. Face them.

It is a little worse than bad flu season in terms of fatalities. Unlike flu, younger people can get seriously ill like with the swine flu.

But since the reported number of cases are understated by a lot, the reported fatality rate is very much overstated, as demi has pointed out more than once.

[demi-conservative]

Then there’s South Korea - no lockdown and test everyone.

Their testing efforts are impressive, but it's still not possible for them to test everyone.

[Watermelon]

Their testing efforts are impressive, but it's still not possible for them to test everyone.

Yeah but it seems like they’re giving it a good try. Up to 20,000 tests per day now.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/thew...orea-did-right

[demi-conservative]

Yeah but it seems like they’re giving it a good try. Up to 20,000 tests per day now.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/thew...orea-did-right

Demi is not criticising them. They took a risk in not locking down, but massive testing seems to be working. No masses of red tape, many innovative ideas like drive-through testing. Maybe it's the best approach since lockdown crashes the economy.

[myth]

One month ago demi pointed out governments across the world are not prepared, and it has only become more obvious with time.



People should be focusing on this and how to prepare for the next time. Instead we get the retarded neocon attacks on China, China trolling back, Trump trying to absolve himself from any blame, Trump supporters defending himself, progressives yelling 'racist' to blame Trump.

One month ago, demi made the claim that this was a bioweapon AND that this was not serious. Demi doesn't apparently realize that these two assertions are pretty much mutually exclusive. Now that people are dying, multiple countries are in lockdown, and healthcare systems in Italy are overwhelmed with dying patients, and they're unable to allow family members in to see their dying loved ones (because of a lack of PPE), demi still claims it isn't serious. And demi has yet to explain why he thinks it's a bioweapon, who developed it, who released it, and why they would have done so, and why the fatality rate is so low if it is a bio-weapon. Demi lacks reading comprehension skills and common sense. Don't be like demi.

[demi-conservative]

One month ago, demi made the claim that this was a bioweapon AND that this was not serious. Demi doesn't apparently realize that these two assertions are pretty much mutually exclusive. Now that people are dying, multiple countries are in lockdown, and healthcare systems in Italy are overwhelmed with dying patients, and they're unable to allow family members in to see their dying loved ones (because of a lack of PPE), demi still claims it isn't serious. And demi has yet to explain why he thinks it's a bioweapon, who developed it, who released it, and why they would have done so, and why the fatality rate is so low if it is a bio-weapon. Demi lacks reading comprehension skills and common sense. Don't be like demi.

Actual fatality rate isn't high, which is why it's not that serious. Obviously a bioweapon could be not serious if it's meant for testing purposes or for if testing is focused on virulence and spread. Demi has explained that Italy is overwhelmed because they panicked the population into overwhelming the hospitals.

Go anklebite someone else.

[demi-conservative]

Demi has also pointed out that for flu, which is not considered a serious disease, if all the people who died of it went to hospital the facilities would also be overwhelmed.

[myth]

Actual fatality rate isn't high, which is why it's not that serious. Obviously a bioweapon could be not serious if it's meant for testing purposes or for if testing is focused on virulence and spread. Demi has explained that Italy is overwhelmed because they panicked the population into overwhelming the hospitals.

Go anklebite someone else.

I suppose people magically become critically ill because of fear? LOL

Seriously, doctors over there are turning away critically ill and DYING patients because they don't have enough beds to go around. Instead, they're giving those beds to other critically ill patients who have a greater chance of benefiting from treatment.

But it's not serious, at all. You live in your own little world, don't you?

[myth]

Demi has also pointed out that for flu, which is not considered a serious disease, if all the people who died of it went to hospital the facilities would also be overwhelmed.

Two words: Spanish influenza.

[demi-conservative]

I suppose people magically become critically ill because of fear? LOL

Seriously, doctors over there are turning away critically ill and DYING patients because they don't have enough beds to go around. Instead, they're giving those beds to other critically ill patients who have a greater chance of benefiting from treatment.

But it's not serious, at all. You live in your own little world, don't you?

As demi pointed out, even for a normal non-serious flu the hospitals would be overwhelmed if all the serious cases went to hospital. They don't because many die at home. Even the common, non-serious flu would overwhelm the hospitals if people panic. Therefore hospitals being overwhelmed does not imply that the coronavirus is serious.

Try a little critical thinking next time, idiot.

[myth]

As demi pointed out, even for a normal non-serious flu the hospitals would be overwhelmed if all the serious cases went to hospital. They don't because many die at home. Even the common, non-serious flu would overwhelm the hospitals if people panic. Therefore hospitals being overwhelmed does not imply that the coronavirus is serious.

Try a little critical thinking next time, idiot.

Considering that coronavirus has something like 10 times the fatality rate of the seasonal flu, I'd say you're the one the needs to try critical thinking.

In 1918, the Spanish flu had about a 2% mortality rate and it killed between 50 million and 100 million people. The seasonal flu nowadays has a fatality rate of about .1%, and current estimates of this novel coronavirus fatality rate are around 1% - 3.4%. Additionally, this coronavirus has a higher infection rate than the seasonal flu (2.2 per patient versus 1.3), and there's currently no vaccine available.

So, this coronavirus has about 10-34 times the fatality rate of seasonal flu, is more contagious, and there's no vaccine. Once again, you seem to have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm not sure exactly what your metric for "not serious" is. It's killing people, it's making a lot of people sick, it's about to crater the world-wide economy, it's leading to quarantine, lock downs, and business closures. At what point, exactly, does it become serious?

[demi-conservative]

Considering that coronavirus has something like 10 times the fatality rate of the seasonal flu, I'd say you're the one the needs to try critical thinking.

Please use your brain. Because of limited test kits, asymptomatic cases and people not wanting to get tested, the number of cases of coronavirus is understated by at least 10 to 100 times. This means that the fatality rate is overstated by a similar amount, so the fatality rate should be 10 times lower than seasonal flu.

Demi has made this point at least 5 times already on Tweb. But because ''''''''''''experts'''''''''''' have been treating reported number of cases as the actual number of cases, demi will have to keep repeating this. Why can't people use common sense?

[myth]

Please use your brain. Because of limited test kits, asymptomatic cases and people not wanting to get tested, the number of cases of coronavirus is understated by at least 10 to 100 times. This means that the fatality rate is overstated by a similar amount.

Demi has made this point at least 5 times already on Tweb.

Right, and I should believe you know more than dozens of highly educated doctors and healthcare professionals because.....?

[demi-conservative]

Right, and I should believe you know more than dozens of highly educated doctors and healthcare professionals because.....?

Answer a simple question, use a little common sense. What's the actual number of cases? Equal or higher to that of the reported number of cases?

Now plenty of experts have admitted that there are a lot of cases out there undetected. So that means number of cases are understated, R0 is understated, fatality is overstated, so all the models are really off.