To Vote or Not To Vote, That is the Question

[demi-conservative]

My problem is I'm seeing a conflict between my duty to God and my duty to the USA.

Which comes first?

[Thoughtful Monk]

Which comes first?

God always comes first. I find this can confuse people who don't believe God exists or that He's involved in their lives.

[NorrinRadd]

God always comes first. I find this can confuse people who don't believe God exists or that He's involved in their lives.

You'd be surprised how many "Christians" think it strange that I have qualms about the Pledge of Allegiance.

[JimL]

Moderator's note: You know you aren't supposed to post here.

[Thoughtful Monk]

You'd be surprised how many "Christians" think it strange that I have qualms about the Pledge of Allegiance.

I get it. I have a few beliefs myself that are inside orthodoxy but outside of mainstream belief. I keep them to myself unless I really trust the other person.

I don't find it strange about the Pledge. I can see how saying it could be interpreted as putting country above God.

[KingsGambit]

I think the Pledge of Allegiance is not only non-Christian, but obviously so. I've been told I'm crazy for thinking that, but I don't think you're all off base.

It was actually written by a socialist to shore up nationalist feelings at a time of questioning of government. I believe my allegiance is to God alone.

I have softened my stance on this over time, but I still do believe that it's not appropriate in church services around the 4th of July.

[demi-conservative]

I know voting's important so I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.

I have a few beliefs myself that are inside orthodoxy but outside of mainstream belief.

Demi also thinks mass suffrage is a joke. Sheep need shepherds instead of being told some nonsense about self-rule.

[simplicio]

I think the Pledge of Allegiance is not only non-Christian, but obviously so. I've been told I'm crazy for thinking that, but I don't think you're all off base.

It was actually written by a socialist to shore up nationalist feelings at a time of questioning of government. I believe my allegiance is to God alone.

I have softened my stance on this over time, but I still do believe that it's not appropriate in church services around the 4th of July.

And Colin Kaepernick?

[KingsGambit]

And Colin Kaepernick?

What about him?

I'm not going to criticize anybody for not standing for the national anthem given that I believe standing at reverent attention with one's hand over their heart while staring at a flag does, in fact, at least approach idolatry. But why do you ask?

[simplicio]

What about him?

I'm not going to criticize anybody for not standing for the national anthem given that I believe standing at reverent attention with one's hand over their heart while staring at a flag does, in fact, at least approach idolatry. But why do you ask?

I ask because of the arguments made by Christians on the topic of taking the knee.