Abortion safety

[Tassman]

I guess this is your way of admitting that you were yet again talking out of the orifice that you sit on when you tried to imply if not outright declare that actresses have indeed said they've had abortions in order to further their careers was B.S.

No, I was addressing the issue that, despite your implication to the contrary, it is only a minority of women (including starlets) who take irresponsible approaches to abortion.

[rogue06]

No, I was addressing the issue that, despite your implication to the contrary, it is only a minority of women (including starlets) who take irresponsible approaches to abortion.

I never said nor implied they were a majority. I was addressing your denial that they existed at all.

[Tassman]

I never said nor implied they were a majority. I was addressing your denial that they existed at all.

I wasn't denying that some women had an irresponsible attitude to abortion, just not the majority. And it seems that we are in agreement about this after all.

[simplicio]

I never said nor implied they were a majority. I was addressing your denial that they existed at all.

When it is about pro-abortionists, [u]some[/u[ pro choicers are important to the argument, and the term pro choice applies to that subset; when it is Christianity, some Christians are irrelevant. And it is not at all clear the the term Christians applies to the subset of some Christians.

No need for consistency at all here.

[Mountain Man]

No, I was addressing the issue that, despite your implication to the contrary, it is only a minority of women (including starlets) who take irresponsible approaches to abortion.

You're not making any sense. If a fetus is just a lump of tissue without inherent value (your premise), then how could getting an abortion be in any way irresponsible?

[rogue06]

I wasn't denying that some women had an irresponsible attitude to abortion, just not the majority. And it seems that we are in agreement about this after all.

Really?

Of course, you did. Like your Hollywood starlets having abortions to save their careers. But, in my experience women are not nearly so cavalier when it comes to abortions.

Looks a lot like a snide denial to me.

[Tassman]

Really?

Looks a lot like a snide denial to me.

Well it would look "snide" to you.

[Tassman]

You're not making any sense. If a fetus is just a lump of tissue without inherent value (your premise),

No that’s just your predictable straw-man premise that you are erroneously attributing to me.

then how could getting an abortion be in any way irresponsible?

There is a responsible approach to abortion. Although abortion is not a desirable option a woman has the right to choose during the first trimester, when the fetus is not a viable entity, if she has a good reason. “The decision to have an abortion is typically motivated by multiple, diverse and interrelated reasons. The themes of responsibility to others and resource limitations, such as financial constraints and lack of partner support, recurred throughout the study”.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/...e-perspectives

[simplicio]

This is addressed to Christians here:

No that’s just your predictable straw-man premise that you are erroneously attributing to me.

par for the course.

There is a responsible approach to abortion. Although abortion is not a desirable option a woman has the right to choose during the first trimester, when the fetus is not a viable entity, if she has a good reason. “The decision to have an abortion is typically motivated by multiple, diverse and interrelated reasons. The themes of responsibility to others and resource limitations, such as financial constraints and lack of partner support, recurred throughout the study”.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/...e-perspectives

The Guttmacher institute is hardly sympathetic to the pro life view. But pro life groups do note the importance of those same points:

lack of resources
fincancial constraints
partner support

To ignore those points is effectively to fail to address the root causes, so:

Stop the spin crap - 46 years and more than 60 million brutally cruel murders - THAT HAS TO STOP. If you don't think so, you are NOT pro-life and you can take your world loving, death worship elsewhere.

Hey, this thread was started over the denial of surgical safety as a precondition for acceptance of abortion. Not a novel point at all. The pill is the ultimate in safety, it avoids the invasive procedures altogether. And if it ever gets perfected, with little to no danger to the woman, then what?