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Does Socialism align with Scripture?
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Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostBut isn't it true that capitalism also doesn't "work" in the absence of some sort of altruistic conscience in the participants? It's based on the idea that the conflicting selfish desires of numerous individuals will smash together and work out to a very rough "fairness," but without some unselfish morality woven in, it's just the law of the jungle.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWhereas when a conservative quotes scripture, you can already know he's off the rails else he wouldn't be a conservative?
and as for the when Jesus told the rich man to give all he had that idiocy of yours was taken care of in my post here
Until you deal with those 2 posts of mine you have no right to tell us we conservatives are already off the rails. Context matters and we conservative Christians in this thread and on this board have been giving you the context. and all you have done is ignore it and gone on to the next idiot statement you make about Conservative Christians not taking the Bible seriously.
Something any one saying they are an unbiased Intellectual needs to learn when discussing anything Context matters learn it Starlight.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNot exactly. In capitalism, you can only succeed if you give the other person what they want. You have to satisfy other people's needs in order to satisfy your own. If you produce something they don't want, or something inferior, they won't buy it, and you will go broke and out of business. Even as an employee, you are giving your employer what they want, your labor, and in return they give you what you want, money and benefits.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNo. Unless he takes away our sin nature. Which he will do. But if I have to give up my free will to sin, I would gladly do that. The reason we won't sin is because 1- We don't have a sin nature any longer and 2- We have experienced what sin has done in the world and our lives and don't want to repeat it.
He gave man the free will to choose. They didn't have the benefit of knowing what sin was, or experiencing it. They chose to sin. Of course, God being God knew they would, so he already had a plan to redeem mankind and his creation. And now that we do have experience of sin, when we have a perfect nature, we will not want to sin.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostRight, so if you don't have a sin nature, which, as you say, god will remove from you, then you won't sin. But unless that sin nature is removed, you will continue to sin, in heaven as on earth. So, what exactly was the point of an earthly crucible?
Again, all of this could have been avoided had your god not given you a sin nature in the first place. Your point isn't making sense.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostSo socialism can't work because of our fallen nature, while capitalism does work? You ever read Charles Dickens or Upton Sinclair (two progressives!)?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSocialism ideally assumes man is altruistic and wants to share. Capitalism doesn't. It is based on realism. It forces men to help others in order to help themselves.
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Originally posted by simplicio View Post"socialism assumes man is altruistic". Really? Sounds like you are confusing socialism with a utopian philosophy, which it isn't.
In capitalist economies, if you want something you have to work for it. You trade your labor for money and benefits. Companies trade their products for profits. You have to give in order to get.
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Doesn't socialism make people better by forcing them to do what they won't do out of their own desire?
And doesn't that make us all better people?
And socialism gives free stuff to all people.Last edited by mikewhitney; 03-13-2020, 04:15 PM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSocialism is supposedly about people wanting to do work so that all can share equally in the rewards, right? That doesn't work if people are selfish. People will think, "What's in it for me?" and if they see that they can get stuff without having to work for it, they will not work for it. That is why most actual socialist countries end up being totalitarian, because the government can only get people to work by forcing them to.
In capitalist economies, if you want something you have to work for it. You trade your labor for money and benefits. Companies trade their products for profits. You have to give in order to get.
Do you think church run soup kitchens, food pantries, or clothing drives are compatible with capitalism?
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostDo you think church run soup kitchens, food pantries, or clothing drives are compatible with capitalism?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostCapitalism is simply the free exchange of goods and services.
And the freedom to do what you will with your capital. Like supporting charities if you so choose.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostDoesn't socialism make people better by forcing them to do what they won't do out of their own desire?
And doesn't that make us all better people?
Whereas those types of socialism that redistribute goods to the needy teach a public lesson that the needy should be helped and that those with a lot of possessions should share what they have.
Pretty easy to argue that those types of socialism are more moral than capitalism and teach better moral lessons to society.
And socialism gives free stuff to all people."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by seer View PostCapitalism is simply the free exchange of goods and services.
A 'free market' isn't capitalism. Socialist systems can have free markets too.
The terms capitalist and socialist refer to business ownership, not how goods are traded.
And the freedom to do what you will with your capital. Like supporting charities if you so choose."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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