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    Standing in Judgment Over God?

    I was watching some videos about presuppositional apologetics and that made me think of some questions. You don't need to know what those videos were in order for you to understand my questions. How would you answer the following questions?

    If someone presents some evidence of Christianity to a non-Christian and then says, "follow the evidence where it leads", does this mean that he is allowing the non-Christian to stand in judgment over God?

    If a Christian says, "I could be wrong about whether God exists", does this mean that he is putting himself as the judge of whether or not God exists?

    If there is some evidence outside of the Bible that could convince a Christian that Christianity is not true, then does this mean that he doesn't really believe that the Bible is the final authority? Is he standing in judgment over the Bible?
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    No.

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      The question doesn't make any sense. The Bereans were commended for cheking out what Paul was saying. We are to love God with all our mind and to count the cost.
      If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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        I wonder what hardcore presuppers make of Psalm 34:8 (O taste and see that the Lord is good).
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • #5
          Negatory.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            Originally posted by Hornet View Post
            If someone presents some evidence of Christianity to a non-Christian and then says, "follow the evidence where it leads", does this mean that he is allowing the non-Christian to stand in judgment over God?
            God presents evidence for his existence and his claims, and expects the same for counter-claims:

            " 'Present your case,' says the LORD
            If there is some evidence outside of the Bible that could convince a Christian that Christianity is not true, then does this mean that he doesn't really believe that the Bible is the final authority? Is he standing in judgment over the Bible?
            The fact that the Bible is the final authority, and my recognition of that fact, are two different things. I wouldn't call coming to recognize the final authority "standing in judgment", rather it is the natural process of coming to know a fact.

            And if there was conclusive evidence that Christianity was untrue, then the Bible would not in fact be the final authority. I believe God wants us to seek the truth above all things, and thus to come to believe in him who is the Truth.

            "Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves." (John 14:11)

            "They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved." (2 Thess. 2:10)

            Blessings,
            Lee
            "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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              Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
              The question doesn't make any sense. The Bereans were commended for cheking out what Paul was saying. We are to love God with all our mind and to count the cost.
              The Bereans were checking what Paul said with what the Scriptures were saying. What I'm talking about is different. Presuppositionalists say that if you use evidence outside of the Bible to determine whether the Bible is true, then you are judging the Bible or judging God.

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                Originally posted by Hornet View Post
                I was watching some videos about presuppositional apologetics and that made me think of some questions. You don't need to know what those videos were in order for you to understand my questions. How would you answer the following questions?

                If someone presents some evidence of Christianity to a non-Christian and then says, "follow the evidence where it leads", does this mean that he is allowing the non-Christian to stand in judgment over God?

                If a Christian says, "I could be wrong about whether God exists", does this mean that he is putting himself as the judge of whether or not God exists?

                If there is some evidence outside of the Bible that could convince a Christian that Christianity is not true, then does this mean that he doesn't really believe that the Bible is the final authority? Is he standing in judgment over the Bible?

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                  The fact that the Bible is the final authority, and my recognition of that fact, are two different things. I wouldn't call coming to recognize the final authority "standing in judgment", rather it is the natural process of coming to know a fact.
                  Is there a difference between coming to recognize which book has the final authority and a criteria for determining which book is the word of God? If someone says, "I believe that the Bible is the word of God because it passes the criteria for deciding which book is the word of God", does he believe that the criteria is the final authority?
                  Last edited by Hornet; 03-19-2020, 07:36 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hornet View Post
                    Is there a difference between coming to recognize which book has the final authority and a criteria for determining which book is the word of God?
                    I don't believe there is a substantial difference, there do need to be some criteria for coming to recognize which book has final authority.

                    If someone says, "I believe that the Bible is the word of God because it passes the criteria for deciding which book is the word of God", does he believe that the criteria is the final authority?
                    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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                      Originally posted by Hornet View Post
                      I was watching some videos about presuppositional apologetics and that made me think of some questions. You don't need to know what those videos were in order for you to understand my questions. How would you answer the following questions?

                      If someone presents some evidence of Christianity to a non-Christian and then says, "follow the evidence where it leads", does this mean that he is allowing the non-Christian to stand in judgment over God?

                      If a Christian says, "I could be wrong about whether God exists", does this mean that he is putting himself as the judge of whether or not God exists?

                      If there is some evidence outside of the Bible that could convince a Christian that Christianity is not true, then does this mean that he doesn't really believe that the Bible is the final authority? Is he standing in judgment over the Bible?
                      Judging the evidence for God, is not the same as judging God. Criticising the arguments of apologists is not criticising apologists, or God.

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