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  • The failure of globalism

    Demi can point to many things, Schengen allowing virus spread, Italy asking for help from Europe and getting it only from China, travel lockdowns to slow down spread.

    But the best example is probably supply chains.





    At least this one isn't that serious. There's still time to change before something really serious comes.
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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    And they were all whining when Trump wanted to invoke tariffs.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      And they were all whining when Trump wanted to invoke tariffs.
      Again and again, Trump is right, the neoliberals and neocons (led by Bushes and Clintons) were wrong.
      Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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      • #4
        Something tells me this is actually going to push us to globalism even more. Climate change was supposed to be the crisis to do that, but it failed. Pandemic is a crisis that's much more immediate and tangible.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seanD View Post
          Something tells me this is actually going to push us to globalism even more. Climate change was supposed to be the crisis to do that, but it failed. Pandemic is a crisis that's much more immediate and tangible.
          seems more likely it will tend to independenc and isolationalism.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            seems more likely it will tend to independenc and isolationalism.
            We'll see.

            When a vaccine is released, I'm guessing we'll really start seeing more calls for international cooperation in order to distribute the vaccine worldwide. IOW, the problem and reaction is creating panic and isolationalism we're seeing now, but "the solution" I believe will move more towards global collaboration and cooperation.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seanD View Post
              We'll see.

              When a vaccine is released, I'm guessing we'll really start seeing more calls for international cooperation in order to distribute the vaccine worldwide. IOW, the problem and reaction is creating panic and isolationalism we're seeing now, but "the solution" I believe will move more towards global collaboration and cooperation.
              Yeah but a lot of the financial problems and medical shortages are because of globalism. Most of the medical masks, and ingredients for antibiotics come from China, for example. We used to do it here, but China undercut us so badly they all closed down. I think this is going to mean that countries will want to rely less on other countries for essentials.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                Again and again, Trump is right, the neoliberals and neocons (led by Bushes and Clintons) were wrong.
                Those manufacturing jobs went abroad because those foreign workers were better educated, more skilled and much cheaper. You loved the cheap consumer goods they made for you.
                Their standard of living will rise, yours will fall and there will be a rebalancing. Maybe you will end up making televisions for the Chinese, that you cannot afford yourself.
                “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                “not all there” - you know who you are

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  seems more likely it will tend to independenc and isolationalism.
                  An article I saw claimed that was the effect of the 1918 flu pandemic.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                    Demi can point to many things, Schengen allowing virus spread, Italy asking for help from Europe and getting it only from China, travel lockdowns to slow down spread.

                    But the best example is probably supply chains.





                    At least this one isn't that serious. There's still time to change before something really serious comes.
                    Considering that China has openly threatened to ban exports of medical products this is indeed troubling

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                      The failure of globalism
                      Yep, the right-wing economists so enthusiastic about the wonders of international free trade and globalism, didn't really factor the problem of pandemics into their models properly.

                      Nor, I think did they properly consider that whenever you have a market crash in one area (e.g. 2008 US housing crisis) that if trade is global rather than national that such crises harm everyone.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                        Demi can point to many things, Schengen allowing virus spread, Italy asking for help from Europe and getting it only from China, travel lockdowns to slow down spread.

                        But the best example is probably supply chains.





                        At least this one isn't that serious. There's still time to change before something really serious comes.
                        As Michael Jackson put it, "we are the world." Globalism is here to stay and it will work itself out in time.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                          Yep, the right-wing economists so enthusiastic about the wonders of international free trade and globalism...


                          The "right-wing" is pretty strongly nationalist. Bill Clinton started the problem by tipping the trade scales in favor of China, and no president until Trump has tried to correct it.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Yep, the neocons and neolibs so enthusiastic about the wonders of international free trade and globalism
                            Fixed.
                            Last edited by demi-conservative; 03-14-2020, 12:12 AM.
                            Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                              Brexit!!!! Rule Britannia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                              Fixed.
                              Last edited by demi-conservative; 03-14-2020, 12:12 AM.
                              Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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