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    Quote Originally Posted by Disingenious Roy View Post
    I know that your statements were not in a context where they weren't dumb, that I'm not being disingenuous,
    Right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    He never called it a hoax. Even Snopes has debunked that one.


    What's True
    During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

    What's False
    Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...-rally-remark/


    Come on, man, are you really so gullible?
    Come on, man, are you really so gullible?

    Trump clearly called the consideration of the seriousness of the corona virus a "hoax," and likened it to "During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu."

    You have not responded to the fact that Trump failed to respond to the seriousness of the coronavirus for over two months, which is reflected in his quotes downplaying the seriousness of the coronavirus..

    "Under control" in the sense that the administration was aware of the situation and was taking steps to address it.
    Plain and simple elementary school English: This does not translate into "being in control."

    South Korea and Japan fit the definition of "being in control."
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Come on, man, are you really so gullible?

    Trump clearly called the consideration of the seriousness of the corona virus a "hoax," and likened it to "During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu."

    You have not responded to the fact that Trump failed to respond to the seriousness of the coronavirus for over two months, which is reflected in his quotes downplaying the seriousness of the coronavirus..



    Plain and simple elementary school English: This does not translate into "being in control."

    South Korea and Japan fit the definition of "being in control."
    Right, so he never called the Chinese virus itself a hoax, and he never claimed the problem was solved, only that his administration had a handle on it.

    So like I said, Trump's comments are fine; it's in CNN's "analysis" where you find the lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Right, so he never called the Chinese virus itself a hoax, and he never claimed the problem was solved, only that his administration had a handle on it.

    So like I said, Trump's comments are fine; it's in CNN's "analysis" where you find the lies.
    No he considered the seriousness of the coronavirus pandemic a "hoax" and did not implement remediation methods for two months.

    Again . . .

    You have not responded to the fact that Trump failed to respond to the seriousness of the coronavirus for over two months, which is reflected in his quotes downplaying the seriousness of the coronavirus..

    Plain and simple elementary school English: This does not translate into "being in control."

    South Korea and Japan fit the definition of "being in control."

    You need to go back to school and learn basic English.
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    A death rate curve is here:

    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-toll/

    Many times this number will need beds in ICU’s (that won’t exist).
    And Trump thinks it’s time to get back to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    No he considered the seriousness of the coronavirus pandemic a "hoax" and did not implement remediation methods for two months.
    Even Snopes, which is hardly pro-Trump has confirmed that "Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax" and that instead "likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying ‘this is their new hoax’." Other fact checkers have also confirmed this so no Trump did not call the virus or the seriousness of it a hoax.

    That does not keep this disproven claim from being regurgitated regularly on various network and cable news or analysis shows either occasionally by the hosts and often by their guests (who are never corrected and allowed to freely disseminate the falsehood unbatted without fear of contradiction).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Even Snopes, which is hardly pro-Trump has confirmed that "Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax" and that instead "likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying ‘this is their new hoax’." Other fact checkers have also confirmed this so no Trump did not call the virus or the seriousness of it a hoax.

    That does not keep this disproven claim from being regurgitated regularly on various network and cable news or analysis shows either occasionally by the hosts and often by their guests (who are never corrected and allowed to freely disseminate the falsehood unbatted without fear of contradiction).
    Back to basic English. Trump calle the seriousness of the coronavirus a "hoax" and called it comparable to the 'common flu,' and it is a fact that he waited over two months to react an mobilize to address the pandemic. I deal in facts and plain English not polls and editorial opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Back to basic English. Trump calle the seriousness of the coronavirus a "hoax" and called it comparable to the 'common flu,' and it is a fact that he waited over two months to react an mobilize to address the pandemic. I deal in facts and plain English not polls and editorial opinions.
    Doesn't really matter, you are dealing with concrete literalness, any time you place the word hoax near coronavirus the reply is Snopes has discredited that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    No he considered the seriousness of the coronavirus pandemic a "hoax"...
    Wrong again. The "hoax" was the false claims by the Democrats and their media allies that the Trump administration wasn't handling it. Quoting Snopes. Again...

    President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." ... Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

    Come on, you don't even believe Snopes?
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Wrong again. The "hoax" was the false claims by the Democrats and their media allies that the Trump administration wasn't handling it. Quoting Snopes. Again...

    President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." ... Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

    Come on, you don't even believe Snopes?
    A hoax is a deception. The dire warnings of health care experts, warnings picked up by Main Stream Media, was downplayed as fear mongering and deception.

    What was Trump's message during this time period, the end of february and into March?

    Remember, China quarantined the cities in the province of Hubei on 23 Jan, shut down businesses and schools entirely on 20 Feb. We in the US were looking at those measures as draconian, that our modern, western system would handle the epidemic.

    And just how was the Trump administration handling it at the time of the remarks (end of February)?

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