Using COVID-19 To Undermine Rights?

[demi-conservative]

Why let a good crisis go to waste?

[demi-conservative]

No rights are absolute.

No one cares during an emergency. During martial law and curfew, no one cares.

These 'rights' are not absolute.

[mikewhitney]

So many of the powers are inappropriate and unnecessary -- or should have been explained. One benefit of providing the reasoning is to see when the mayor has exceeded the intent.

The sale of alcohol has no connection with the spread of a virus.

The sale of firearms has no connection with the spread of a virus. Nor does this provision against such sales particularly restrain people from using weapons they have -- for whatever situation is anticipated under this law or edict.

The taking of property (and assuming title) is never ever supposed to be done -- except in certain circumstances -- but only with full compensation to the owner. Without this balance, the owner ends up with a greater burden by the government compared to other people.

It gets more concerning combining the unexplained/uncompensated taking of property along with the prohibition of sale of firearms. This makes it sound like the government is intending to take actions against common sense. Otherwise, and in general, people would likely be cooperative in supporting emergency actions.

[Mountain Man]

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[Mountain Man]

The taking of property (and assuming title) is never ever supposed to be done -- except in certain circumstances -- but only with full compensation to the owner.

Of course that almost never happens. Quite often the owner is given the rock bottom "market value" for their home (which is far less than what the owner could get selling it), and in egregious cases, the government looks for "flaws" in the house to drop the price further, or they'll condemn the house and evict the owner without paying a cent.

[mikewhitney]

Of course that almost never happens. Quite often the owner is given the rock bottom "market value" for their home (which is far less than what the owner could get selling it), and in egregious cases, the government looks for "flaws" in the house to drop the price further, or they'll condemn the house and evict the owner without paying a cent.

The other technique is to put all sorts of restrictions on land usage and improvements so that no one's property (like on train project pathway) is very expensive. How can the owner demand a decent sales price when no one is allowed to use the land for anything?

I heard that the true principle is something like this ...
If your property is taken by eminent domain to put up a shopping mall, they may try to pay you what the property is worth before the mall. But, in reality (overlooking the impropriety of taking your property for this purpose), you should be paid the increased value of properties nearby which weren't taken by eminent domain.

We have to fight to preserve our rights lest we become mere slaves. It might be needed to temporarily endure some encroachments. However, nothing being undertaken today should be treated as a normal mode of operation by the governments. Nor can we accept the next claim of an outbreak as an excuse to deny our rights.

[NorrinRadd]

One thing I really do despise about Bad Orange Man is that he loves the eminent domain concept.

[seer]

One thing I really do despise about Bad Orange Man is that he loves the eminent domain concept.

I'm surprised that Trump has not let his inner dictator out by declaring marshall law then suspending the November election.

[oxmixmudd]

This sounds draconian...

unfortunately, with orders to stay at home, people have more time to let their imaginations and fears run wild ...

[seer]

unfortunately, with orders to stay at home, people have more time to let their imaginations and fears run wild ...

How about what the actual law says?

[Mountain Man]

I'm surprised that Trump has not let his inner dictator out by declaring marshall law then suspending the November election.

Careful with comments like that. Idiots like oxmixmudd and JimL won't realize you're joking.

[oxmixmudd]

Careful with comments like that. Idiots like oxmixmudd and JimL won't realize you're joking.

I am often accused of being given over to conspiracy theories concerning Donald T.

But did you notice I am NOT the person starting this thread (nor do I intend to participate in it much)?

[seer]

Careful with comments like that. Idiots like oxmixmudd and JimL won't realize you're joking.

All we used to hear from the left was that Trump was a wannabe dictator - well was is his big chance - looks like he is blowing it!

[Mountain Man]

I am often accused of being given over to conspiracy theories concerning Donald T.

And for good reason. I do not exaggerate when I say that you are the most irrational and rabidly anti-Trump person I've ever encountered. You've crossed the line into self-parody to the point that I honestly can't tell half the time if you're being serious, or if you're trolling us with satire.

[seanD]

Careful with comments like that. Idiots like oxmixmudd and JimL won't realize you're joking.

We know how this works.

If Trump does cancel elections: "See, we told you he's an evil dictator!" If he doesn't: "Trump didn't do enough, see we told you he's incompetent!"