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It's amazing that conservatives are okay with all this. It's not just the bailouts and stimulus programs, but the sheer government overreach in all this. First the government had central control of the markets, now they have complete central control of private companies.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostIt's amazing that conservatives are okay with all this. It's not just the bailouts and stimulus programs, but the sheer government overreach in all this. First the government had central control of the markets, now they have complete central control of private companies.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostWhy is it amazing that there is a big difference between the talk and the reality?
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Originally posted by seanD View PostYou'd also think the progressives would be loving all this socialism and free money. You'd think they'd be praising Trump. Both sides are hypocrites, which is why the partisan trench warfare charade is so obnoxious.
Trump is one of those rare people that can redefine the tribal lines. The recession will probably last until the election, and he has the opportunity to centralise and embrace UBI and other welfare.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Pelosi is blocking the EmergencyUBI in favor of means-testing. Are you kidding me?
Separately, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) supports a more targeted approach to those hit hardest by any economic downturn, as opposed to money sent to every American, and Pelosi wants this done via refundable tax credits, expanded unemployment and possibly direct cash payments as well.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-might-happen/Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Demi lives in interesting times.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostCanada is closing its border and Mexico has threatened to close theirs saying they don't want infected Americans coming into the country. There's some weapons grade irony there.Pelosi is blocking the EmergencyUBI in favor of means-testing. Are you kidding me?Suddenly, both parties want to send cash to every American. It might happen.
With the country staring at the possibility of an absolutely brutal recession amid the worsening coronavirus crisis, both Democrats and Republicans seem to be gravitating toward what used to be considered a fairly out-of-the-mainstream progressive solution: Just send people money.Last edited by demi-conservative; 03-18-2020, 11:42 PM.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostYou'd also think the progressives would be loving all this socialism and free money.
If you mean Schumer and Pelosi, then no, neoliberal corporatist centrist shills don't count as progressives.
You'd think they'd be praising Trump.
Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostPelosi is blocking the EmergencyUBI in favor of means-testing. Are you kidding me?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostPelosi is a centrist corporatist sell-out who needs to be primaried by a progressive. Nothing new there. The only thing interesting is that some people were silly enough to expect her to not be a useless tool and to actually support some progressive values.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostIt's amazing that conservatives are okay with all this. It's not just the bailouts and stimulus programs, but the sheer government overreach in all this. First the government had central control of the markets, now they have complete central control of private companies.
Conservatism = laissez faire capitalism was always neocon poison and it cannot die fast enough anyway."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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The money the government hands out now has to come from somewhere, meaning revenue shortages later and much higher national debt. I think this will eventually prove that socialism doesn't work when we have to pay for all the handouts later.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe money the government hands out now has to come from somewhere, meaning revenue shortages later and much higher national debt. I think this will eventually prove that socialism doesn't work when we have to pay for all the handouts later.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe money the government hands out now has to come from somewhere, meaning revenue shortages later and much higher national debt. I think this will eventually prove that socialism doesn't work when we have to pay for all the handouts later.
The situation is so bad that governments around the world are panicking and abandoning capitalism, because everyone can clearly see it's too useless to help.
But even the more helpful socialism is only going to be a bandage, it's not actually going to be able to address the underlying wound, which is that heaps of people are going to reduce the amount they are working and reduce the amount they are spending as they isolate themselves from society."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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