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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    It's amazing how much my brain is warped by TDS that I can twist anything against the one I hate.
    Fixed.

    Plainly Trump talked about how there's "a real chance" it might work, but you can't admit that. Pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronson View Post
    He was a medical officer at WHO when WHO eradicated smallpox. Brilliant claiming to have helped defeat the disease is like Ray Croc claiming he invented the hamburger.
    He was a medical officer at WHO who was an epidemiologist with an expertise in the field. The battle against smallpox was successful, and it shows that progress can be made.

    One interesting point he made in the interview:

    Tests would make a measurable difference. We should be doing a stochastic process random probability sample of the country to find out where the hell the virus really is. Because we don't know. Maybe Mississippi is reporting no cases because it's not looking. How would they know? Zimbabwe reports zero cases because they don't have testing capability, not because they don't have the virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    He was a medical officer at WHO who was an epidemiologist with an expertise in the field. The battle against smallpox was successful, and it shows that progress can be made.
    He was a cog in the machine but has been represented by some as having been much more. My father was a tank commander in WWII but if he criticized how the Korean War was being fought that wouldn't make him a leading authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    He was a cog in the machine but has been represented by some as having been much more. My father was a tank commander in WWII but if he criticized how the Korean War was being fought that wouldn't make him a leading authority.
    A cog? Probably accurate, because many persons were involved in the fight against smallpox. But he does have expertise in epidemiology, at least enough that he could hold down a job in the field.

    Just how would you define an expert in epidemiology? I wonder if this is yet another example of not recognizing a point raised by anyone across some political divide. At some point we have to acknowledge the TDS also affects the Trump supporters here! (that is what this actually hinges on, an evil atheist who criticizes Trump called someone an expert who criticized Trump)
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    A cog? Probably accurate, because many persons were involved in the fight against smallpox. But he does have expertise in epidemiology, at least enough that he could hold down a job in the field.
    And my father had "expertise" in fighting a war. The point is that just because you find one person involved in fighting smallpox doesn't mean you elevate him to being the ultimate authority just because he feeds your need to demonize someone you don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    And my father had "expertise" in fighting a war. The point is that just because you find one person involved in fighting smallpox doesn't mean you elevate him to being the ultimate authority just because he feeds your need to demonize someone you don't like.
    And it is apparent that you and others are discounting him because of his criticism, not because of any weakness in his resume.

    Here is the post from starlight (a Kiwi, heathen, liberal)

    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Pence organizing for all statements about coronavirus to go through him, rather than being issued by the medical authorities, was a classic case of political correctness. It was apparently important to the administration that statements were politically correct rather than medically correct.

    Meanwhile Trump in interviews and on twitter has been making all sorts of false statements.

    Doctor who helped defeat smallpox says "this is the most irresponsible act of an elected official that I've ever witnessed in my lifetime" of Trump's handling of coronavirus.

    What Trump's done is lied, called it a hoax, lied some more.

    Here's a timeline of some of Trump's statements:

    Jan 22: "We have it totally under control... Itís going to be just fine.Ē

    Feb 6: "Weíre going to be pretty soon at only five people... And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time."

    Feb 27: "Itís going to disappear... One day ó itís like a miracle ó it will disappear."

    Feb 28: It's "their [the Democrat's] new hoax".

    Feb 29: "everything is under control... Everything is really under control.Ē

    March 4: Trump calls the WHOís estimate of the global death rate "false." He describes the coronavirus as "very mild". He suggests that those infected can get better "going to work."

    March 7: "Iím not concerned at all". Trump goes on to explain that he would prefer the sick people stay on the cruise ship rather than disembark purely because that would keep the stats low regarding number of cases in the US rather than for any medical reason... "I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault".

    March 9: Trump reiterates his mistaken view that the common flu is more deadly than COVID19.

    March 10: Trump lies about the availability of tests kits, saying tests are available for anyone who wants one (they weren't).

    March 16: "The virus is not under control - itís not under control anywhere!"
    March 16: "We have a problem that a month ago nobody ever thought about.Ē
    March 16: Trump lies about there being "precise Medical Screenings at airports" (there weren't).
    March 16: "I would rate it [my performance on dealing with the pandemic] a 10 [out of 10]."

    March 17: Trump explains he Totally Knew All Along that it was going to be bad: "Iíve always known this is a real ó this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. Iíve always viewed it as very serious."

    March 19: "No one has ever seen numbers like this, no one would be ready for this."


    In a 3 week period he went from it's a "hoax" and "under control" to "it's not under control anywhere" and "I've always known this is a real... pandemic".

    I would say that Starlight inappropriately used a wrong term, describing the motivation as "political correctness", when another term would be more appropriate. In spite of that (and I might even forgive him that awful transgression) the post does contain some valid points.

    But focusing on the expertise of the epidemiologist, the scientist, avoids the need to address the points.

    But hey, Starlight is a scientist, so he is probably just too biased to make an informed decision on science, he is a liberal who does not like Trump, so he is probably unable to form a reasoned opinion on any topic surrounding Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    And it is apparent that you and others are discounting him because of his criticism, not because of any weakness in his resume.
    I'm not discounting him but rather objecting to how he was elevated to the ultimate authority solely because he dislikes Trump.

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    What appears to have been lost in this is that most Americans (55% to 43%) think that Trump has been doing a good job. In this era of hyper-partisanship 12% is a sizable majority -- especially in light of a virulently hostile media bombarding the public 24/7 with a message that he has bungled this more than anyone possible. Maybe they're smart enough to comprehend that there are going to be missteps in something like this no matter who is in charge.

    Or perhaps they recognize that the left hasn't offered any solutions but rather has focused on worrying about being politically correct instead. Or that the presumed Democrat presidential candidate has effectively plagiarized (he has a long history of this) what Trump has proposed and is doing with the exception of wanting to keep the borders open and naming someone to head his task force who thinks that those 75 years old and older should die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    I'm not discounting him but rather objecting to how he was elevated to the ultimate authority solely because he dislikes Trump.
    Did Starlight use him as an example because he was critical of Trump, or because of an example a person who might be able to make an informed decision on an epidemic response? (an appeal to authority)

    Notice the authorities which are accepted or rejected by various posters here. By disputing his status as an authority, you are effectively discounting him and his conclusions.

    Do you think that the epidemiologist criticized Trump solely because he dislikes Trump? (remember the thread I started whether someone who disagrees can form an opinion, which was based on a specific charge which pops up here on a regular basis)

    Is it possible that people can form valid conclusions even if they are biased on their political views?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Did Starlight use him as an example because he was critical of Trump, or because of an example a person who might be able to make an informed decision on an epidemic response? (an appeal to authority)
    Since I'm in no mood for 20 questions I'll only answer this first one but with one of my own. Do you think that he would have ever cited him if he wasn't highly critical of Trump?

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