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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    What better way to "Nationalize" everything in a supposedly Democratic Republic?
    And the MSM is playing right into it! At the press conference the other day the press was asking Trump why he hasn't used the DPA to nationalize various industries!

    Luckily Trump isn't on that bandwagon, he told them that Nationalizing business is bad, just look at Venezuela. He wants companies to step up and do the right thing, and he said many are, volunteering to switch production to masks, resperators and other required products.

    Makes sense anyway, if you have a company right now making something people aren't buying, like cars, then you are better off making a product that people do need, like respirators, which is what Ford said they are going to do. That way you keep your people employed and you are making money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    And the MSM is playing right into it! At the press conference the other day the press was asking Trump why he hasn't used the DPA to nationalize various industries!

    Luckily Trump isn't on that bandwagon, he told them that Nationalizing business is bad, just look at Venezuela. He wants companies to step up and do the right thing, and he said many are, volunteering to switch production to masks, resperators and other required products.

    Makes sense anyway, if you have a company right now making something people aren't buying, like cars, then you are better off making a product that people do need, like respirators, which is what Ford said they are going to do. That way you keep your people employed and you are making money.
    EGGzackly. I think it's far better to encourage the volunteering to adapt than to demand it. It's human nature to do a better job when we're doing what we WANT to do than what we HAVE to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Considering that each and every move by a government is seen as some draconian power grab of apocalyptic proportions, the look back at our history is appropriate: Each period has seen sharp increases on spending. A look at spending cannot differentiate the conservative from the liberal. The Canadian economy did pretty well in comparison to the US in the '08 recession, in spite of the socialist tendencies up north.

    But the dire predictions have failed to come to fruition. From Nixon's administration on, we have had the same drumbeat of gloom and doom on spending.

    Uh, the government of Canada in 2008 was the Conservative party led by the best PM we've ever had, Stephen Harper. Maybe that's why we survived the recession then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Uh, the government of Canada in 2008 was the Conservative party led by the best PM we've ever had, Stephen Harper. Maybe that's why we survived the recession then.
    And maybe Harper had superpowers!

    The banking policies were in place long before 08, which is why the Canadian market was more resilient, whereas we embarked on a course of loosening the fiduciary responsibilities pf the banking industry. The housing sector did not have the same level of foreclosures, the investment banks did not become not insolvent.

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    It appears that after pushback yesterday by the public and the other parties that the Libranos have withdrawn that part of the legislation. Little Justin said it was "only for consideration", yeah right.

    They'd like nothing better than to have a blank cheque handed to them.

    By the by, the carbon tax on my $75 natural gas bill this month is $28. Little Justin is increasing it on April 01.

    Yippee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    And maybe Harper had superpowers!

    The banking policies were in place long before 08, which is why the Canadian market was more resilient, whereas we embarked on a course of loosening the fiduciary responsibilities pf the banking industry. The housing sector did not have the same level of foreclosures, the investment banks did not become not insolvent.

    And maybe you're a moron!

    Harper controlled spending during his time in office. He didn't waste money like the Liberals and NDP do, that's why the country survived.

    That's the difference between what we had then and what we have now since Trudeau has been in office for 4.5 years. As of last year our deficit is 20 billion and he will be handing out 82 billion for the covid crisis, and back in February he was tossing money at Greece.

    As of August 2016, BEFORE Trump was elected, the first year of Trudeau, 156,155 illegal immigrants have crossed into Canada from the States. The RCMP have actually built outposts at the unmanned crossings.

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...till-happening

    And these people are being given health care paid for by me, including dental and prescriptions, which I can't get unless I have private insurance, for up to 20 years! How's that for a liberal waste of money!

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ed-to-20-years

    Do not talk to me about things in my country if you don't live here. You don't have a clue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    And maybe you're a moron!

    Harper controlled spending during his time in office. He didn't waste money like the Liberals and NDP do, that's why the country survived.

    That's the difference between what we had then and what we have now since Trudeau has been in office for 4.5 years. As of last year our deficit is 20 billion and he will be handing out 82 billion for the covid crisis, and back in February he was tossing money at Greece.

    As of August 2016, BEFORE Trump was elected, the first year of Trudeau, 156,155 illegal immigrants have crossed into Canada from the States. The RCMP have actually built outposts at the unmanned crossings.

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...till-happening

    And these people are being given health care paid for by me, including dental and prescriptions, which I can't get unless I have private insurance, for up to 20 years! How's that for a liberal waste of money!

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ed-to-20-years

    Do not talk to me about things in my country if you don't live here. You don't have a clue.
    wait! so if I sneak into Canada I will get 20 years of free dental AND health insurance?

    You got a spare room?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    wait! so if I sneak into Canada I will get 20 years of free dental AND health insurance?

    You got a spare room?
    I'd turn you in right away and you'd get to spend 2 weeks in quarantine and then you'd get free housing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    And maybe you're a moron!

    Harper controlled spending during his time in office. He didn't waste money like the Liberals and NDP do, that's why the country survived.

    That's the difference between what we had then and what we have now since Trudeau has been in office for 4.5 years. As of last year our deficit is 20 billion and he will be handing out 82 billion for the covid crisis, and back in February he was tossing money at Greece.

    As of August 2016, BEFORE Trump was elected, the first year of Trudeau, 156,155 illegal immigrants have crossed into Canada from the States. The RCMP have actually built outposts at the unmanned crossings.

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...till-happening

    And these people are being given health care paid for by me, including dental and prescriptions, which I can't get unless I have private insurance, for up to 20 years! How's that for a liberal waste of money!

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ed-to-20-years

    Do not talk to me about things in my country if you don't live here. You don't have a clue.
    Maybe I do have a clue, even though I do not reside there.

    The 08 housing crash, which took trillions out of the economy in the US, was caused in part by loosening banking rules, which Canada chose not to do. The US had a massive influx of foreign investment, a whopping 6% GDP, which China did not have. The money prompted a boom in housing, some middle class persons actually received four and more mortgages, it was like the wild west and a classic bubble. Yes, Harper did a good job, but those were not under his control.

    The global financial crisis which hit in 07 put the world's banking sector into a bind (Lehman collapsed). Ottowa did pressure quick write offs (to Harper's credit). But Harper did follow Obama with a stimulus package, Canada even bought into GM. When oil and commodity prices rebounded, Canada reaped those benefits, along with the weak Canadian dollar.

    Canada was helped by strong commodity prices, banking policies set earlier with strong central government regulation, and weaknesses in the Looney. Harper did pull the similar stunts as Obama, adjusted for GDP. Harper did not keep his promises on budget, though to be fair he was forced into it by opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It's human nature to do a better job when we're doing what we WANT to do than what we HAVE to do.
    Wow. You haven't thought that one through, have you.

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