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    What's up with Muhammad in saying all dogs should be killed?

    What's up with Muhammad in saying all dogs should be killed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
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    It's in several of the hadiths

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    What's up with Muhammad in saying all dogs should be killed?

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    In his culture, dogs were not pets; they were more or less mere scavengers, and considered unclean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    In his culture, dogs were not pets; they were more or less mere scavengers, and considered unclean.
    Do you have a source that this was a cultural thing, and not something Mohammed instituted?

    Based on what I've read he declared this a rule after one of his wives had kept a puppy in the house, which had supposedly stopped Jibreel from delivering revelations that he had promised to give that night. The Sahih Hadith do have exceptions for dogs used in shepherding, hunting, and some other stuff. Unless they are black, then they are supposed to be a devil and thus killed.

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    (2) Maimuna reported that one morning Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was silent with grief. Maimuna said: Allah's Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me tonight, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises, and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) spent the day in this sad (mood). Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He commanded and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it at that place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: you promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens). (Book #024, Hadith #5248)

    (1) A'isha reported that Gabriel (peace be upon him) made a promise with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: 'A'isha, when did this dog enter here? She said: BY Allah, I don't know He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: You promised me and I waited for you. but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. (Book #024, Hadith #5246)

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    In his culture, dogs were not pets; they were more or less mere scavengers, and considered unclean.
    viz. Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie.

    As a child, I read this and took it completely literally and thought it meant all dogs go to hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
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    From Bukhari Vol. 4, #540

    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.

    From Muslim #Number 055

    Ibn Mughaffal reported: The Messenger of Allah ordered killing of the dogs, and then said: What about them, i. e. about other dogs? and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time.

    From Muslim #3813

    Abu Zubair heard Jabir Abdullah saying: Allah's messenger ordered us to kill dogs and we carried out this order so much so that we also killed the dog roaming with a women from the desert. Then Allah's apostle forbade their killing. He said: "It is your duty to kill the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes) for it is a devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    In his culture, dogs were not pets; they were more or less mere scavengers, and considered unclean.
    At that point in time I'm not sure there were any cultures that regarded them as "pets."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    At that point in time I'm not sure there were any cultures that regarded them as "pets."
    Why just dogs? Muhammad thought he was a prophet. Could he not see the benefits in having a dog?

    Perhaps Muhammad was frightened by a wolf and thought it was a dog?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Why just dogs? Muhammad thought he was a prophet. Could he not see the benefits in having a dog?

    Perhaps Muhammad was frightened by a wolf and thought it was a dog?
    I don't think dogs were regarded very highly anywhere in the Middle East but Muhammad took it a step further. A big step. Why? Maybe one recognized him for what he really was and peed on his leg

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