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    keeping the laws more general instead of creating new laws for every possible situation or disease allows greater flexibility and less bureaucracy. If we have laws that cover someone being reckless or endangering others, there is no need to create a specific law for every deadly disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Nushawn Williams moved fro NYC to a rural western NY county after testing positive for HIV and had sex with some 4 dozen girls. He was the epicenter for a mini epidemic in Chautauqua County NY (known more for Amish communities and dirt roads than urban problems)

    He was sentenced to prison for his escapades in charges which included reckless endangerment.

    We have stories of coronavirus parties in Ky, and problems in Hamptons on Long Island. https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/we-sho...e-in-hamptons/

    A woman apparently traveled on public transportation knowing she was infected after being told not to travel to check into the small, rural hospital. She should up demanding to be admitted.

    Should we have disease specific crimes? Can we condemn Nushawn Williams and the partiers in Ky or the woman in the Hamptons?

    Does Fox News offer any guidance, or the faith, or secular morality?
    I think most everyone recognizes the actions of Nushawn Williams as immoral. But what about the actions here, the Coronavirus Party, the purposefully coughing on the Wegman's employee, the move to Hamptons?

    And the most recent one, the nutbar who recorded himself licking deodorant in Walmart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    I think most everyone recognizes the actions of Nushawn Williams as immoral. But what about the actions here, the Coronavirus Party, the purposefully coughing on the Wegman's employee, the move to Hamptons?

    And the most recent one, the nutbar who recorded himself licking deodorant in Walmart?
    We already answered you. They should be prosecuted for their actions. There are a host of available laws to cover such things, inciting panic, reckless endangerment, and if someone actually gets sick, assault, or if they die, manslaughter. For someone who gets himself infected on purpose, if they then go around spreading it, they should get arrested for reckless endangerment. If they just sit at home then probably nothing you can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    We already answered you. They should be prosecuted for their actions. There are a host of available laws to cover such things, inciting panic, reckless endangerment, and if someone actually gets sick, assault, or if they die, manslaughter. For someone who gets himself infected on purpose, if they then go around spreading it, they should get arrested for reckless endangerment. If they just sit at home then probably nothing you can do.
    I meant to change it away from the legal to the moral reasoning. I left off the sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    I meant to change it away from the legal to the moral reasoning. I left off the sentence.
    oh. sorry.

    I think it is immoral. And stupid. If you are trying to purposefully infect others with a dangerous disease, that is wrong. If it's a deadly disease (like HIV was) it's evil. I think it would be equivalent to going around poisoning people. Like the guy who poisoned the Tylenol back in the 80's. I consider it murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    oh. sorry.

    I think it is immoral. And stupid. If you are trying to purposefully infect others with a dangerous disease, that is wrong. If it's a deadly disease (like HIV was) it's evil. I think it would be equivalent to going around poisoning people. Like the guy who poisoned the Tylenol back in the 80's. I consider it murder.
    Where do you think the moral line gets crossed? Obviously purposefully infecting others is wrong but how far does the moral responsibility go in actively preventing others from getting infected?

    Should there also be some moral reciprocal obligations placed on the uninfected to take a level of care to protect themselves from infection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Where do you think the moral line gets crossed? Obviously purposefully infecting others is wrong but how far does the moral responsibility go in actively preventing others from getting infected?

    Should there also be some moral reciprocal obligations placed on the uninfected to take a level of care to protect themselves from infection?
    Personally I get mad when someone comes to work with a cold spreading it around because they don't want to call in sick.


    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Personally I get mad when someone comes to work with a cold spreading it around because they don't want to call in sick.


    What do you think?
    Why wouldn’t they call in sick?

    When someone shows obvious symptoms like that then we naturally take precautions around them to avoid catching it ourselves.

    If we get sick then that sick person doesn’t get blamed for being sick. You knew they were sick and still chose to share a cigarette or shake their hand and not wash etc.

    Should everyone have a responsibility to take these precautions all the time regardless if they show symptoms or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Why wouldn’t they call in sick?
    You would have to ask them. Maybe they don't have any vacation/sick days left, maybe they don't care, or feel they have some deadline to meet. The result though, is that they make others sick who have to miss work.


    When someone shows obvious symptoms like that then we naturally take precautions around them to avoid catching it ourselves.
    well, yeah, but usually by the time you find out, they have already spread their germs all over the place.

    If we get sick then that sick person doesn’t get blamed for being sick. You knew they were sick and still chose to share a cigarette or shake their hand and not wash etc.
    And many don't want to get sick but end up in the same place the person sneezed or coughed or touched something and then handed it to a coworker or sent it through the interoffice mail.
    Should everyone have a responsibility to take these precautions all the time regardless if they show symptoms or not?
    If they don't know they are sick then how would they know to take precautions? But once they know, they should have the courtesy to stay away from people, especially at work. One person can infect other workers and shut down an entire department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Why wouldn’t they call in sick?

    When someone shows obvious symptoms like that then we naturally take precautions around them to avoid catching it ourselves.

    If we get sick then that sick person doesn’t get blamed for being sick. You knew they were sick and still chose to share a cigarette or shake their hand and not wash etc.

    Should everyone have a responsibility to take these precautions all the time regardless if they show symptoms or not?
    Some folks don't want to miss any time from work because either money's tight and they can't afford to or because they're angling for a raise/promotion and don't want to have any call outs. Others are very proud of having never missed a day's work in x number of years and will drag themselves in, infecting half the office doing so.

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