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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    ...You tack it on to your regular worship service on occasion...
    I realize this wasn't addressed to me, but when we have communion, it IS the service. I get what you mean when you say "tacked on", because I've been in Churches where it's pretty much after everything else is done, or squeezed in between other stuff, but our entire morning service, including hymns and sermon, are about communion on those Sundays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    As far as I can tell, you have a low view of communion; low church Protestants (of which you are one) tend to view it as either a symbol or an ordinance. You tack it on to your regular worship service on occasion. Compared with viewing it as the very body and blood of Christ, that IS a low view. Communion is the central part of high church worship - not something tacked on ever and anon. If I'm wrong about your view, I apologise.
    You are right in the sense that I do not view the elements of communion as the very body and blood of Christ. They are symbols. Nothing is scripture indicates that they are anything other than symbolic. They are a reminder of the crucifixion and what was accomplished for believers at that time, and are not intended to be a continual crucifixion of the Lord.

    If you call that a low view, then so be it. But it is preferable to continually crucifying Christ on a daily basis.

    And i am not getting any more into my views of Catholicism here., and Orthodoxy by extension. I do believe communion is very important. And I believe that "high" church makes it a ritual that eventually means nothing to the common person.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    We will be sharing the elements live "in house", and asking you to use your own grape juice or whatever you have, and I'll explain that it's the act of obedience and worship that God honors, and I really don't think He will smite us for not using unleavened bread and wine.
    Hmm. We have always have communion on the first Sunday of each month. We have been, for maybe three or four years now, using the prefilled communion cups with included dry bread (not crackers) or wafers. I was wondering how well that would work with us being locked down. I'll float this idea this by the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    You are right in the sense that I do not view the elements of communion as the very body and blood of Christ. They are symbols. Nothing is scripture indicates that they are anything other than symbolic.
    We're going to disagree on that; your view was held only by people who were otherwise obviously heretical prior to the Reformation. You're pretty much regurgitating what you were taught.
    They are a reminder of the crucifixion and what was accomplished for believers at that time, and are not intended to be a continual crucifixion of the Lord.

    If you call that a low view, then so be it. But it is preferable to continually crucifying Christ on a daily basis.

    And i am not getting any more into my views of Catholicism here., and Orthodoxy by extension.
    Respectfully, you are propagating a false view of Catholicism/Orthodoxy promulgated by dissenters. It is incorrect, and I wish Protestants would stop uncritically asserting it.
    I do believe communion is very important. And I believe that "high" church makes it a ritual that eventually means nothing to the common person.
    Maybe I'm uncommon (though I don't view myself that way); I hunger for the Eucharist, and if anything that is intensified the more I receive it. There is no tradition in which people are incapable of becoming complacent and just going through the motions; given your dissatisfaction with every (Protestant!) church you've tried in your area, you should know that.
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    If the Eucharist is supposed to be the entire service, does this mean to the exclusion of all else? Paul did say that hymns and spiritual songs should be sung, after all, and Hebrews was written as a homily presumably to be read at a service, so I would have a hard time believing that nothing else should be done, unless I am misunderstanding your position here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    If the Eucharist is supposed to be the entire service, does this mean to the exclusion of all else? Paul did say that hymns and spiritual songs should be sung, after all, and Hebrews was written as a homily presumably to be read at a service, so I would have a hard time believing that nothing else should be done, unless I am misunderstanding your position here.
    It is not the entire service; it is the centerpiece of the service.

    Analogously, in a Protestant service the sermon is typically the centerpiece of the service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I realize this wasn't addressed to me, but when we have communion, it IS the service. I get what you mean when you say "tacked on", because I've been in Churches where it's pretty much after everything else is done, or squeezed in between other stuff, but our entire morning service, including hymns and sermon, are about communion on those Sundays.
    I appreciate that CP. Thanks.
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    I've had my own thoughts on Communion for awhile, and I've considered starting a thread on it, but part of me has been concerned that it's just me trying to force my own personal preferences on everyone else, which I know I have a bad habit of doing. But I'll do it anyway.

    I have read that the early church treated it as more as a communal meal than as where somebody takes one piece of bread and one sip, and if this is true, I don't see any reason we shouldn't go toward that. (But on the other hand, I know there are some people who think Christians should only meet in houses because the first Christians do that, and I think it's obvious that they did that more because they obviously couldn't openly worship in churches, much less afford their own buildings, at first, so I don't think it's necessary. So I use this as a caution toward the line of thinking that we have to do things exactly like the first Christians do.)

    Having said that, my own church has begun doing communal meals and I have found it to be an exceptional means of fellowship. I'm sort of lucky in that I attend a very small church where that's even practical, but it seems like something I could see the earliest Christians doing.

    I do think we should drink wine. I just don't see any good reason not to offer it. My own church offers both wine and grape juice out of sensitivity toward recovering alcoholics or people with allergies, and those two exceptions seem reasonable to me, but that seems like about it to me. It seems strange not to do exactly as Jesus commanded IMO. (I remember attending a youth service as a teenager where tortilla chips and Coca Cola were offered. That seems almost blasphemous to me in retrospect.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post



    Affirmative. Or, you can even use wine!
    what if I don't have either?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I've had my own thoughts on Communion for awhile, and I've considered starting a thread on it, but part of me has been concerned that it's just me trying to force my own personal preferences on everyone else, which I know I have a bad habit of doing. But I'll do it anyway.

    I have read that the early church treated it as more as a communal meal than as where somebody takes one piece of bread and one sip, and if this is true, I don't see any reason we shouldn't go toward that. (But on the other hand, I know there are some people who think Christians should only meet in houses because the first Christians do that, and I think it's obvious that they did that more because they obviously couldn't openly worship in churches, much less afford their own buildings, at first, so I don't think it's necessary. So I use this as a caution toward the line of thinking that we have to do things exactly like the first Christians do.)

    Having said that, my own church has begun doing communal meals and I have found it to be an exceptional means of fellowship. I'm sort of lucky in that I attend a very small church where that's even practical, but it seems like something I could see the earliest Christians doing.

    I do think we should drink wine. I just don't see any good reason not to offer it. My own church offers both wine and grape juice out of sensitivity toward recovering alcoholics or people with allergies, and those two exceptions seem reasonable to me, but that seems like about it to me. It seems strange not to do exactly as Jesus commanded IMO. (I remember attending a youth service as a teenager where tortilla chips and Coca Cola were offered. That seems almost blasphemous to me in retrospect.)
    As far as I can tell, the separation of communion proper from a communal meal happened very early (and likely in response to abuses such as what Paul describes), and it became the practice to fast from food and water for a certain time before communion (with the communal meal following). Two weeks ago, my church didn't have a communal meal after the service for the first time in at least 17 years - and now we're pretty much completely shut down until this pandemic resolves.
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