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  • #16
    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    If the Eucharist is supposed to be the entire service, does this mean to the exclusion of all else? Paul did say that hymns and spiritual songs should be sung, after all, and Hebrews was written as a homily presumably to be read at a service, so I would have a hard time believing that nothing else should be done, unless I am misunderstanding your position here.
    It is not the entire service; it is the centerpiece of the service.

    Analogously, in a Protestant service the sermon is typically the centerpiece of the service.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      I realize this wasn't addressed to me, but when we have communion, it IS the service. I get what you mean when you say "tacked on", because I've been in Churches where it's pretty much after everything else is done, or squeezed in between other stuff, but our entire morning service, including hymns and sermon, are about communion on those Sundays.
      I appreciate that CP. Thanks.
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      • #18
        I've had my own thoughts on Communion for awhile, and I've considered starting a thread on it, but part of me has been concerned that it's just me trying to force my own personal preferences on everyone else, which I know I have a bad habit of doing. But I'll do it anyway.

        I have read that the early church treated it as more as a communal meal than as where somebody takes one piece of bread and one sip, and if this is true, I don't see any reason we shouldn't go toward that. (But on the other hand, I know there are some people who think Christians should only meet in houses because the first Christians do that, and I think it's obvious that they did that more because they obviously couldn't openly worship in churches, much less afford their own buildings, at first, so I don't think it's necessary. So I use this as a caution toward the line of thinking that we have to do things exactly like the first Christians do.)

        Having said that, my own church has begun doing communal meals and I have found it to be an exceptional means of fellowship. I'm sort of lucky in that I attend a very small church where that's even practical, but it seems like something I could see the earliest Christians doing.

        I do think we should drink wine. I just don't see any good reason not to offer it. My own church offers both wine and grape juice out of sensitivity toward recovering alcoholics or people with allergies, and those two exceptions seem reasonable to me, but that seems like about it to me. It seems strange not to do exactly as Jesus commanded IMO. (I remember attending a youth service as a teenager where tortilla chips and Coca Cola were offered. That seems almost blasphemous to me in retrospect.)
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post



          Affirmative. Or, you can even use wine!
          what if I don't have either?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            I've had my own thoughts on Communion for awhile, and I've considered starting a thread on it, but part of me has been concerned that it's just me trying to force my own personal preferences on everyone else, which I know I have a bad habit of doing. But I'll do it anyway.

            I have read that the early church treated it as more as a communal meal than as where somebody takes one piece of bread and one sip, and if this is true, I don't see any reason we shouldn't go toward that. (But on the other hand, I know there are some people who think Christians should only meet in houses because the first Christians do that, and I think it's obvious that they did that more because they obviously couldn't openly worship in churches, much less afford their own buildings, at first, so I don't think it's necessary. So I use this as a caution toward the line of thinking that we have to do things exactly like the first Christians do.)

            Having said that, my own church has begun doing communal meals and I have found it to be an exceptional means of fellowship. I'm sort of lucky in that I attend a very small church where that's even practical, but it seems like something I could see the earliest Christians doing.

            I do think we should drink wine. I just don't see any good reason not to offer it. My own church offers both wine and grape juice out of sensitivity toward recovering alcoholics or people with allergies, and those two exceptions seem reasonable to me, but that seems like about it to me. It seems strange not to do exactly as Jesus commanded IMO. (I remember attending a youth service as a teenager where tortilla chips and Coca Cola were offered. That seems almost blasphemous to me in retrospect.)
            As far as I can tell, the separation of communion proper from a communal meal happened very early (and likely in response to abuses such as what Paul describes), and it became the practice to fast from food and water for a certain time before communion (with the communal meal following). Two weeks ago, my church didn't have a communal meal after the service for the first time in at least 17 years - and now we're pretty much completely shut down until this pandemic resolves.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              If the Eucharist is supposed to be the entire service, does this mean to the exclusion of all else? Paul did say that hymns and spiritual songs should be sung, after all, and Hebrews was written as a homily presumably to be read at a service, so I would have a hard time believing that nothing else should be done, unless I am misunderstanding your position here.
              Um.... you talkin' to me?

              If so - when I say "the entire service", that doesn't mean we don't make announcements about upcoming events, or have the "chidlren's message", or take up the offering -- it simply means that the entire worship part of the service, including the hymns we sing, the scripture we read (including parts of the Hallel) the sermon I preach -- it's all about Communion.

              We will have an "invitation" prior to distributing the elements for that "let a man examine himself" part, and after communion is over, we "sing a hymn and go out" (though we don't have any olive trees).
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                what if I don't have either?
                Be a Mormon - use water. Ya got that?
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Um.... you talkin' to me?

                  If so - when I say "the entire service", that doesn't mean we don't make announcements about upcoming events, or have the "chidlren's message", or take up the offering -- it simply means that the entire worship part of the service, including the hymns we sing, the scripture we read (including parts of the Hallel) the sermon I preach -- it's all about Communion.

                  We will have an "invitation" prior to distributing the elements for that "let a man examine himself" part, and after communion is over, we "sing a hymn and go out" (though we don't have any olive trees).
                  Oh, no, I was making sure that I understood OBP's point correctly, and I hadn't.
                  "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                  • #24
                    Hey guys. It looks like FB took down all our services we did Sunday. Could you check on yours?


                    UPDATED: BHWAHAHAHAHA...stand down from Red Alert! They were moved into Videos on the church page.

                    CARRY ON.....
                    Last edited by DesertBerean; 03-24-2020, 08:38 PM.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
                      Hey guys. It looks like FB took down all our services we did Sunday. Could you check on yours?


                      UPDATED: BHWAHAHAHAHA...stand down from Red Alert! They were moved into Videos on the church page.

                      CARRY ON.....
                      I saved my Facebook Live stuff and uploaded it to Youtube. Just in case.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Be a Mormon - use water. Ya got that?
                        I am trying to get grape juice. But the grocery stores are low on everything. I know they are out of wine. I might have to use tortillas as the bread. I know OBP will probably think that is sacrilegious but it's all I have that is unleavened bread.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          I am trying to get grape juice. But the grocery stores are low on everything. I know they are out of wine. I might have to use tortillas as the bread. I know OBP will probably think that is sacrilegious but it's all I have that is unleavened bread.
                          Under the circumstances I'm sure the Lord will understand.


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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            I am trying to get grape juice. But the grocery stores are low on everything. I know they are out of wine. I might have to use tortillas as the bread. I know OBP will probably think that is sacrilegious but it's all I have that is unleavened bread.
                            Well, the East has used leavened bread since nearly the beginning, and that's what was normally used in most Protestant churches I attended. I would go with that over tortillas.

                            I also note that, in the underground church in Japan, the people resorted to fish and rice for communion.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              Well, the East has used leavened bread since nearly the beginning, and that's what was normally used in most Protestant churches I attended. I would go with that over tortillas.

                              I also note that, in the underground church in Japan, the people resorted to fish and rice for communion.
                              We also used to use bread in some services.


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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                I am trying to get grape juice. But the grocery stores are low on everything. I know they are out of wine. I might have to use tortillas as the bread. I know OBP will probably think that is sacrilegious but it's all I have that is unleavened bread.
                                In an effort to limit my carbs, I eat my sandwich on a low carb tortilla every day for lunch. I like it fine TBH. It's esp. good for making a Tuna Wrap! They have a Spinach and a Tomato Basil that work well with tuna, canned chicken etc.
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