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Originally posted by mossrose View PostWe also used to use bread in some services.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWell, the East has used leavened bread since nearly the beginning, and that's what was normally used in most Protestant churches I attended.Last edited by Sparko; 03-25-2020, 01:02 PM.
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostIn an effort to limit my carbs, I eat my sandwich on a low carb tortilla every day for lunch. I like it fine TBH. It's esp. good for making a Tuna Wrap! They have a Spinach and a Tomato Basil that work well with tuna, canned chicken etc.
papadias.jpegpapajohns.jpgThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWell, the East has used leavened bread since nearly the beginning, and that's what was normally used in most Protestant churches I attended. I would go with that over tortillas.
I also note that, in the underground church in Japan, the people resorted to fish and rice for communion.
I thought it was supposed to be unleavened? What's the rationale for using leavened bread?Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI thought it was tradition to use unleavened bread, thus the communion wafers?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostGonna try PapaJohn's Papadias today -- if their website comes back up. They're BUSY, and this is GOOD!
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Originally posted by QuantaFille View PostI have only ever attended one church that used leavened bread for communion, and I thought it was really odd. Every other church I have ever had communion at has used unleavened wafers specially made for the purpose, or occasionally saltines broken into pieces. The bread was at a "non-denominational" church BTW.
I thought it was supposed to be unleavened? What's the rationale for using leavened bread?
It appears that even in the West, unleavened bread was not used prior to the 8th century, and did not become universal until the 11th century.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostAs far as I can tell, you have a low view of communion; low church Protestants (of which you are one) tend to view it as either a symbol or an ordinance. You tack it on to your regular worship service on occasion. Compared with viewing it as the very body and blood of Christ, that IS a low view. Communion is the central part of high church worship - not something tacked on ever and anon. If I'm wrong about your view, I apologise.
I think it's worth reminding everyone that low and high are descriptors of church services and neither necessarily reflect on the quality of the worship of God. Either low or high can be very worshipful or totally off. This is an area that I view as both sides are Biblically correct and God leaves it to the individual on which is better for them to worship God with."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI believe God honors the intent of the heart - He looks on the inside."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt was the passover meal and Jews don't eat leavened bread during passover.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI know that, the fathers of the Church knew that, and the portion of the article I quoted addresses that. Please do me the courtesy of reading what I posted and addressing that in your response, okay? Your post doesn't even manage to rise to the level of a handwave.
At the Mystical Supper, it is obvious that our Lord was changing things, to tie the Passover meal with its fulfillment, the Eucharist. One of those changes, obviously, was using leavened bread instead of unleavened, or at least leavened in addition to unleavened. The world was empty and devoid of grace before Christ, as is symbolized by the flatness of the unleavened bread, but later filled with the glory of His Resurrection, as is symbolized by the leavened bread. Christ made the change, and the Church followed through on it.
seems like a rationalization. Especially the bit about trying to explain Christ's motivation.
https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/740.html
Artos:
food composed of flour mixed with water and baked
the Israelites made it in the form of an oblong or round cake, as thick as one's thumb, and as large as a plate or platter hence it was not to be cut but broken
loaves were consecrated to the Lord
of the bread used at the love-feasts and at the Lord's Table
And Azymos
unfermented, free from leaven or yeast
of the unleavened loaves used in the paschal feast of the Jews
metaph. free from faults or the "leaven of iniquity"
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Azymos just means "unleavened" not "unleavened bread"
the word bread is inserted for clarity, it isn't in the greek
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostHmm. We have always have communion on the first Sunday of each month. We have been, for maybe three or four years now, using the prefilled communion cups with included dry bread (not crackers) or wafers. I was wondering how well that would work with us being locked down. I'll float this idea this by the others.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostWe're set to have our regular communion...the cups are prepackaged for people to take to their homes and we will celebrate by FB on Sunday morning.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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