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  • Even if he knew, Christian3, he/she just ignores it because it doesn't serve siam's purpose to propagate islamic polemics. Despite the own admission that siam ONLY reads the NT in "bits and pieces". That's called selective reading and is intellectually Dishonest.

    But that's the nature of islam anyway - blatantly dishonest.

    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    There is only one God, siam, and Jesus taught that one God was one God in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    And Jesus also taught many other things that you apparently don't know about.

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    • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
      You are forgetting that God is a Just God.
      interesting
      could you elaborate?

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      • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
        You are trying to avoid my point.
        Could you rephrase the point u were trying to make?

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        • Originally posted by siam View Post
          interesting
          could you elaborate?
          God is a Just and a holy God. Since God is a Just God He must punish evil. He cannot overlook our sins

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          • That's right Christian3, the God of the Bible will not forgive sins except on a moral basis.

            He has to satisfy His character of holiness and love consistently. His holiness demands that there is a punishment for sin, in his love for His creation-Man, God does not want to see any one get into the destruction of hell.

            Unlike islam, where Allah already made and pre-determined groups of people for heaven and hell. There, love and mercy of God has no meaning.


            Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
            God is a Just and a holy God. Since God is a Just God He must punish evil. He cannot overlook our sins

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            • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
              God is a Just and a holy God. Since God is a Just God He must punish evil. He cannot overlook our sins
              True in Islam as well.

              It is possible that how we understand/define "sin" may be a bit different.
              In Islam God is Just, Compassionate and Merciful. God's Justice is bent towards compassion and mercy---after all...he is the one that gave humanity free-will by which we can choose to commit "sin"/mistake.
              Divine Justice is more "Just" than human justice because God can see inside our hearts and know our intentions, but human justice can only evaluate our actions.
              Therefore God can also know our remorse. Those humans who have remorse over what they have done and ask for forgiveness are forgiven by God because God is most compassionate and most merciful.

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              • That's NOT according to islam's authentic Hadith like these:

                "Verily Allah created Adam and then rubbed his back with His right hand and took out a progeny from him and said: I created these for Paradise and with the actions of the inmates of Paradise which they will do. Afterwards he rubbed his back with His hand and took out a progeny from him and said: I CREATED THESE FOR HELL and with the actions of the inmates of Hell which they will do".

                - Mishkat al-Masabih, Vol.3, p.107

                and-

                Hadith No: 22
                Narrated/Authority of Abdur-Rahman bin Qatada As-Salami

                I heard the Prophet (SAW) saying: Allah created Adam, took his progeny from his back and said: These will go to Hell and these will go to Paradise. Somebody said, the narrator added: 0 Messenger of Allah, what shall we do then? The Prophet muhamed said: You will do according to your destiny.

                (This Hadith is good and narrated by Ahmad)

                View the above Hadith (# 22) from this islamic hadith link: https://ahadith.co.uk/110ahadithqudsi.php


                This hadith confirms the Islamic teaching that Allah sends his creatures to hell, as well as to heaven. This does not speak to me of a truly loving God, in any way.


                Now, from the koran:

                ALLAH leads astray whomsoever He will and guides whomsoever he will - surah 14/4

                Do you wish to guide him whom ALLAH HAS CAUSED TO ERR? And whomsoever Allah CAUSES to err, you shall by no means find a way for him - surah 4/88

                & these 2 ayats/verses form the koran ( and MANY MORE) prove that God or "Allah" over rides the "free-will" of Man, causing them to to actions leading to hell and to the otherside. Siam is just telling a lie that contradicts these koranic and hadith verses and like other muslims like same hakeem, cannot give an honest explanation of these blatant contradictions.


                Originally posted by siam View Post
                True in Islam as well.

                It is possible that how we understand/define "sin" may be a bit different.
                In Islam God is Just, Compassionate and Merciful. God's Justice is bent towards compassion and mercy---after all...he is the one that gave humanity free-will by which we can choose to commit "sin"/mistake.
                Divine Justice is more "Just" than human justice because God can see inside our hearts and know our intentions, but human justice can only evaluate our actions.
                Therefore God can also know our remorse. Those humans who have remorse over what they have done and ask for forgiveness are forgiven by God because God is most compassionate and most merciful.
                Last edited by Dan Zebiri; 04-09-2020, 02:41 AM.

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                • Originally posted by siam View Post
                  True in Islam as well.

                  It is possible that how we understand/define "sin" may be a bit different.
                  In Islam God is Just, Compassionate and Merciful. God's Justice is bent towards compassion and mercy---after all...he is the one that gave humanity free-will by which we can choose to commit "sin"/mistake.
                  Divine Justice is more "Just" than human justice because God can see inside our hearts and know our intentions, but human justice can only evaluate our actions.
                  Therefore God can also know our remorse. Those humans who have remorse over what they have done and ask for forgiveness are forgiven by God because God is most compassionate and most merciful.
                  Sin is not just a mistake, siam.

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                  • Two comments .....

                    Originally posted by siam View Post
                    In Islam God is Just, Compassionate and Merciful.
                    [1] Muhammad's Allah is "Just, Compassionate and Merciful" ... and arbitrary!!! VERY arbitrary!!! Among other things you left out the arbitrary part!

                    [2] Muhammad's God was Alllah. So Why don't you say Allah when speaking of "god" as defined by Muhammad?? Or was it one of Muhammad's scribes that substituted his [the scribe's] words for the words of Muhhammad's? Or was it Uthaman who changed Muhammad's words when Uthman decided what would be passed on as the Qur'an and ordered all other copies to be destroyed???

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                    • Originally posted by siam View Post
                      I do NOT understand Christianity and have not read the NT (except in bits and pieces)

                      Though Jesus was "not recognized" in instances after the crucifixion, there are other passages also...?....
                      Apparently---this aspect of Jesus as shape-shifting has a name! its called polymorphism.....?...and though it mostly appears in apocrypha, early Christians believed it...?...
                      This article has some details....
                      https://isthatinthebible.wordpress.c...ian-tradition/

                      ...Other Christian documents with polymorphic christology include the Shepherd of Hermas, the Physiologus, the Apocalypse of Elijah, the Apocryphon of John, the Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles, the Acts of Paul, the Acts of Andrew, the Acts of Thomas, the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Philip, the Pseudo-Clementine Homilies, the Revelation of the Magi, the Armenian Infancy Gospel, and Pseudo-Cyril’s On the Life and the Passion of Christ. These writings encompass a wide range of dates (from possibly the first century to the ninth century), locations, and Christian sects. We read of a Jesus who could alter not only his facial appearance, but his stature, his age, and his corporeality — and could do differently for different observers at the same time.
                      ........

                      Church father Origen concurred with the polymorphic traits of Jesus described in the apocryphal Acts above. In Contra Celsum (248 CE), he wrote:

                      Although Jesus was one, he had several aspects; and to those who saw him he did not appear alike to all. Â… Moreover, that his appearance was not just the same to those who saw him, but varied according to their individual capacity, will be clear to people who carefully consider why, when about to be transfigured on the high mountain, he did not take all his disciples, but only Peter, James, and John. For they alone had the capacity to see his glory at that time, and were able also to perceive Moses and Elias when they appeared in glory, and to hear them conversing together, and the voice from heaven out of the cloud. (Cels. 2.64. Translation by Henry Chadwick, 1965.)⁴

                      In the same passage, Origen marshals the arrest story as further evidence of JesusÂ’ changing appearance:

                      And it is clear that he did not always appear the same from the remark of Judas when about to betray him. For he said to the crowd that came with him, as though they did not know him, ‘Whomsoever I kiss, it is he’.

                      .....

                      In Luke 4:16-30, JesusÂ’ speech in the synagogue at Nazara so angers all his listeners, that they attempt to throw him off a nearby cliff. Jesus makes a miraculous escape, the nature of which is left vague.

                      They got up, drove him out of the town, and led him to the brow of the hill on which their town was built, so that they might hurl him off the cliff. But he passed through the midst of them and went on his way. (Luke 4:29-30)
                      Are you implying that Jesus changed His forum in order to avoid the cross?

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                      • Originally posted by siam View Post
                        Could you rephrase the point u were trying to make?
                        Since Jesus said many times He would die and rise from the dead and the author of the Qur'an said Jesus did not die, much less rise from the dead, the Qur'an makes a liar and a false prophet out of Jesus. Is that clear enough?

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                        • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                          Are you implying that Jesus changed His forum in order to avoid the cross?
                          Not specifically....just pointing out a fun fact about Jesus and the NT.....

                          .....but it could be one of many possibilities.....

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                          • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                            Since Jesus said many times He would die and rise from the dead and the author of the Qur'an said Jesus did not die, much less rise from the dead, the Qur'an makes a liar and a false prophet out of Jesus. Is that clear enough?
                            Not according to Tawheed.
                            There is only One God...and no other. Jesus Christ (pbuh) came with this message of the One God. He is a Prophet of God according to Muslims/Quran/Islam.

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                            • Originally posted by siam View Post
                              Not specifically....just pointing out a fun fact about Jesus and the NT.....

                              .....but it could be one of many possibilities.....
                              Such as?

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                              • Originally posted by siam View Post
                                Not according to Tawheed.
                                There is only One God...and no other. Jesus Christ (pbuh) came with this message of the One God. He is a Prophet of God according to Muslims/Quran/Islam.
                                And, once more, Christians believe in only one God. And Jesus said this one God was one God in three persons.

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