Woman Accuses Joe Biden Of Sexual Assault

[rogue06]

Is your standard changable and dependent on what others do (or what you believe they do)? If so, it is very soon going to be the standard for the worst practice instead of the better practice. You should aim higher than that.

It is pretty evident that those with the fluid standards regarding this are those on the left. The point of this thread is to highlight that fact and mock it.

[rogue06]

No, that's just what you like to believe is the left's standard, seer. C'mon now, you're just out to avenge your hero Trump because he was exposed for the narcissitic pig that he is.

Any moment Charles will come rushing in, squeaking and squealing about WHATABOUTISM!1!!!eleventy-one!!.

Yup. Any moment now.

[Charles]

It is pretty evident that those with the fluid standards regarding this are those on the left. The point of this thread is to highlight that fact and mock it.

It is pretty evident that in the attempt to mock them statements are made in the standard becomes fluid for both sides. That is an unintended irony of this thread that some of you did not note. The fact that you are even talking about sides instead of simply talking about standards, right or wrong in and of itself is rather revealing.

[seer]

No, that's just what you like to believe is the left's standard, seer. C'mon now, you're just out to avenge your hero Trump because he was exposed for the narcissitic pig that he is.

So Jim you disagree with the Believe all women meme?

“For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time.” Joe Biden...

https://reason.com/2020/03/26/joe-bi...believe-women/

[Charles]

So Jim you disagree with the Believe all women meme?

“For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time.” Joe Biden...

https://reason.com/2020/03/26/joe-bi...believe-women/

Is it impossible to change the presumption that you start off with? If not then it seems you really don't have a point at all.

[Zymologist]

No, that's just what you like to believe is the left's standard, seer. C'mon now, you're just out to avenge your hero Trump because he was exposed for the narcissitic pig that he is.

"Believe all women" is a direct quote of the standard used in situations exactly like this one. So...yeah, that is their standard.

[JimL]

So Jim you disagree with the Believe all women meme?

“For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time.” Joe Biden...

https://reason.com/2020/03/26/joe-bi...believe-women/

No, I don't. One can either believe or disbelieve an accuser and their accusation, but whether one believes or not is irrelevant.

[seer]

Is it impossible to change the presumption that you start off with? If not then it seems you really don't have a point at all.

That makes no sense Charles. Of course you can change an assumption in this case. Why automatically assume that the woman is telling the truth? In this case if we are to assume that, Biden is guilty of sexual assault by his own standard.

[JimL]

That makes no sense Charles. Of course you can change an assumption in this case. Why automatically assume that the woman is telling the truth? In this case if we are to assume that, Biden is guilty of sexual assault by his own standard.

One could also argue the opposite, that his own standard is evidence of his innocence. If Biden knew of any guilt on his own part in the past, it's unlikely he would have said what he said.

[seer]

One could also argue the opposite, that his own standard is evidence of his innocence. If Biden knew of any guilt on his own part in the past, it's unlikely he would have said what he said.

Or he didn't think it would be brought to light. But Jim that doesn't change the fact that Biden's own standard says we should believe the woman.

[rogue06]

Any moment Charles will come rushing in, squeaking and squealing about WHATABOUTISM!1!!!eleventy-one!!.

Yup. Any moment now.

Still waiting.

[rogue06]

It is pretty evident that in the attempt to mock them statements are made in the standard becomes fluid for both sides. That is an unintended irony of this thread that some of you did not note. The fact that you are even talking about sides instead of simply talking about standards, right or wrong in and of itself is rather revealing.

Clueless as usual.

The point is that we've always believed in the concept. That hasn't changed. But all of a sudden when the Democrat's presumptive presidential candidate faces accusations the Democrats are suddenly abandoning their declaration that all women are to be believed (the logical extension of which is therefore that the man is guilty until proven otherwise). That philosophy as well as demands that Kavanaugh "prove" his innocence were repeatedly expressed by those on the left.

Moreover Biden set the standard which he should naturally follow that

""For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it's been made worse or better over time. But nobody fails to understand that this is like jumping into a cauldron."

So according to Biden himself we should presume that she is telling the truth and that she was sexually assaulted by Biden until it can be proven he didn't. That's a stupid and even dangerous standard but it is the one you guys wanted.

Something or other about "You've made your bed, now lie in it."

[rogue06]

No, I don't. One can either believe or disbelieve an accuser and their accusation, but whether one believes or not is irrelevant.

Irrelevant? It was the standard that the left insisted upon with Kavanaugh. That he was automatically guilty until proven otherwise and hence unfit to be appointed to the SCOTUS. So by the left's own standard, groping Joe is guilty of this accusation until proven otherwise and therefore unfit for the office of POTUS.

Let's see how many Democrats continue to hold to this standard that they wanted.

[JimL]

Or he didn't think it would be brought to light. But Jim that doesn't change the fact that Biden's own standard says we should believe the woman.

I think what that actually means seer, is that you should not automatically disbelieve what they say. If there is an obvious agenda involved, 30 years after the claimed event then that makes it suspicious.

[Charles]

That makes no sense Charles. Of course you can change an assumption in this case. Why automatically assume that the woman is telling the truth? In this case if we are to assume that, Biden is guilty of sexual assault by his own standard.

Such a short statement and yet you manage to contradict yourself completely. It is very, very simple, seer. If an assumption can change (and you agree it can) it does not follow that Biden is guilty of sexual assault by his own standard. By his standard we are to listen to this woman starting of with the assumption she is telling the truth. It does not follow logically that if we start with that assumption, we cannot change it. That is the critical part you keep missing. Of course her statement should be evaluated and Biden should be allowed to defend himself. That might change the assumption Biden told us to start of with. You see? Really, really simple.